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Context: Throughout this transcript, Bhante Vimalaramsi is the speaker unless otherwise indicated.

thus if I heard on one occasion the

blessed one was living in raja gaha in

the bamboo grove the squirrel sanctuary

now on that occasion of venerable samee

tea was living in the forest hut then

wanderer potala puta while wandering and

walking for exercise went to the

venerable samee tea and exchange

greetings with him when this courteous

and amiable talk was finished he sat

down in one side and said two venerable

samee T friend Sam ET i heard and

learned this from the Rekluse gautama

zone lips bodily action is vain verbal

action is vain only mental action is

real and there is that attainment on the

entering in which one does not feel

anything at all do not say so friend but

to a puta do not say so do not

misrepresent the blessed one it is not

good to misrepresent the blessed one the

Brett blessed one would not speak this

bodily action is vain verbal action as

vain only mental action is real but

friend there is that attainment upon

entering which one does not feel

anything at all how long since you've

gone forth friend Sam ET not long friend

three years there now what shall we say

to the or

to the elder baku's when a young Baku

finds the teacher is to be defended thus

friend Sam ed having done an intentional

action by way of body speech and mind

what does one feel having done an

intentional action by way of body speech

or mind one feel suffering friend then

neither approving or disapproving the

venerable to meet these words the

wanderer rose from the seat and departed

soon after wandering if soon after the

wanderer had left venerable samee T went

to the venerable ananda and exchange

greetings with him when this courteous

and amiable talk was finished he sat

down at one side and reported to the

venerable ananda the entire conversation

with the wanderer after he had spoken of

in irbil ananda told him friend sammy t

this conversation should be told to the

blessed one come let us approach the

blessed one and tell him this as the

blessed one explains to us so shall we

bear it in mind yes friend the venerable

samee d replied then the venerable

ananda and the venerable samee t went

together with wood to the blessed one

after paying homage to him they sat down

at one side the venerable ananda

reported to the blessed one the entire

conversation between venerable smiddy

and the wanderer when he had finished

the blessed one told the venerable

Ananda Ananda i do not even recall ever

having seen this wanderer so how could

he have been

there how could there have been this

conversation though the Wanderers

question should have been analyzed

before being answered this misguided man

Sam ET answered in one answered it

one-sidedly when this was said the

venerable who died and said to the

blessed one venerable sir perhaps the

venerable samee T spoke thus referring

to the principal whatever is felt

includes is included in suffering then a

blessed one addressed ananda see ananda

how this misguided men who died in

interferes i knew ananda that this

misguided man who Diane would unduly

interfere right now from the start of

from the start The Wanderer had asked

about three kinds of feeling this

misguided man Sam ed would have answered

The Wanderer rightly if he asked thus he

would have explained friend friend

wanderer having done an internal an

intentional action by way of body speech

or mind whose result is to be felt as

pleasant one feels pleasure having done

an intentional action by way of body

speech or mine whose result is to be

felt as painful one feels pain having

done an intentional action by body

speech or mine whose result is to be

felt as neither painful nor pleasure

feels neither painful nor pleasure but

what are these foolish thoughtless

wanderers of other sex that they could

could understand the two taka does great

exposition of action you should listen

Ananda to the Tatar gotta as he explains

the great exposition of action that took

a long time to get down to it this is

the time Blessed One this is the time

sublime one for the blessed one to

expound the great exposition of action

having heard it from the blessed one

amongst will remember it then listen

Ananda and ten closely to what I shall

say yes venerable sir venerable amount

of replied the blessed one said this

Ananda there are four kinds of persons

to be found existing in the world what

for here some person kills living beings

take it takes what is not given miss

conducts himself and sensual pleasures

speaks falsehood speaks maliciously

speech harshly gossips his covetous he

has a mind of ill will and holds wrong

view on the desolation after after death

he reappears in a state of deprivation

and an unhappy dated destination even in

hell but there is some person kills

living beings takes what is not given

miss conducts himself and sensual

pleasures speaks falsehood speaks

maliciously speaks harshly gossips his

covetous has a mind of ill will and

holds wrong view on the death solution

of the body after death he reappears in

a happy destination even in a heavenly

world hears some person abstains from

killing living beings from taking what

is not given from Miss Conda

10 sensual pleasures from false speech

malicious speech harsh speech from

gossip he is not covetous his mind is

without ill will any holds right view on

the debt solution after a body after

death he reappears in a happy

destination even in a heavenly world but

here's some person abstained from

killing living beings from taking what

is not given from miss conducting and

misconduct in sensual pleasures from

false speech from malicious speech from

harsh speech from gossip he is not

covetous his mind is not filled with

ill-will and he holds the right view on

a dissolution of the body after death he

reappears in a state of deprivation in

an unhappy destination even inhale here

Ananda by means of ardor endeavor

devotion diligence and right attention

some Rekluse or Brahman attains such

concentration of mine collected pneus of

mine when his mind is collected with the

divine I which is purified and surpasses

the human he sees that person who kills

living beings and whole trong view and

sees that person on the desolation of

the body after death he reappeared in

the state of deprivation in an unhappy

destination even in hell he says thus I

indeed there are evil actions there is

the result of misconduct for I saw a

person here killed who killed living

beings and held wrong view and I see

that on the dissolution of the

after death he reappeared in a state of

deprivation he says thus on the death

solution of the body after death

everyone who kills living beings and

hold wrong view appears in a state of

deprivation even in hell those who know

thus know rightly those who think

otherwise are mistaken thus he

obstinately adheres to what he himself

has known seen and discovered insisting

only this is true and anything else is

wrong but here ananda by means of art or

some recluse or Brahman attained such a

collectiveness of mind that when his

mind is collected with a divine eye

which is purified and surpasses a human

he sees that person who kills living

beings and holds wrong view and he sees

that on a debt solution of the body

after death he reappeared in a happy

destination even a heavenly world he

says thus indeed there are no evil

actions there is no result of misconduct

for I saw person here who killed living

beings and held wrong view and I see

that on a Desilu shin of the body after

death he reappeared in a happy

destination even in a heavenly world

thus he says on a Desilu shin of the

body after death everyone who kills

living beings and holds wrong view

appears in a happy destination even in a

heavenly realm those who know thus know

rightly those who think otherwise are

mistaken these are the kind of views

that were very prevalent during

time of the Buddha thus he obstinately

adheres to what he himself has known

seen and discovered insisting only this

is true and anything else is wrong so

you have one guy that says you do these

actions you're going to go to hell

that's it another guy says well there is

no there is no result of this karma

because he did all of these actions and

now he's in a heavenly realm how can

that be

here ananda by means of artur summary

closer brahmin attains such a collected

pneus of mind that when his mind is

collected with the divine eye which is

purified in surpasses a human he sees

that person who abstained from killing

living beings and holds right view and

he sees that on a Desilu shin of the

body after death he reappeared in a

happy destination even in a heavenly

world he says thus indeed there are good

actions there is result of good conduct

for I saw a person here abstains from

killing living beings in held right view

and I see that on the debt solution of

the body after death he reappears and a

happy destination even in a heavenly

world he says thus on the desolation of

the body after death everyone who

abstains from killing living beings and

holds right view appears in a happy

destination that's where that's where

they all get caught they say everybody

because I saw this everybody's like that

that's way it's going to happen

those who know thus know rightly those

who think otherwise are mistaken thus he

abstinent Lee holds to what he himself

has known seen and discovered insisting

only this is true and anything else is

wrong but here ananda by means of artur

some recluse or Brahman attains to such

collectiveness of mind that when his

mind is collected with the divine eye

which is purified and surpasses a human

he sees that person who abstains from

killing living beings and hold right

view and he sees that on a debt solution

of the body after death he reappeared in

a state of deprivation in an unhappy

destination even in hell he says thus

indeed there are no good actions there

is no result of good karma are good

conduct for I saw a person who has

abstained from killing living beings and

held right new and I see that on a

Desilu shin of the body after death is

reappeared in the state of deprivation

even in hell he says thus on the

desolation of the body after death

everyone who abstains from killing

living beings and holds right view

reappears in a state of deprivation even

in hell those who know thus know rightly

those who think otherwise are mistaken

thus he obstinately adheres to what he

himself has known seen and discovered

insisting only this is true and anything

else is wrong there in Ananda when a

recluse or Brahman says indeed there are

evil action

there is result of misconduct I grant

him this when he says I saw a person who

killed living beings and held wrong view

and I see that on a dissolution of the

body after death he reappeared in a

state of deprivation even in hell I also

grant him this but when he says on the

dissolution of the body after death

everyone who kills living beings and

holds wrong view reappears in a state of

deprivation even in hell I do not grant

him this when he says those who know

thus know rightly those who think

otherwise are mistaken I do not grant

him this when he is obstinately adheres

to what he himself has known seen and

discovered insisting only this is true

and anything is wrong I also do not

grant him this why is that because

Ananda the target is knowledge of the

great exposition of action is otherwise

they're in Ananda winner Rekluse where

Brahman says indeed there are no evil

actions there's no result of misconduct

I do not grant him this when he says I

saw a person who killed living beings

and held wrong view and I see that on

the death solution of the body after

death he reappears in a happy

destination even in a heavenly realm I

grant him this but when he says on the

death solution of the body after death

everyone who kills living beings and

holds that wrong view appears in a happy

destination

in a heavenly world I do not grant him

this and when he says those who know

thus rightly those who think otherwise

are mistaken I do not grant him this and

when he obstinately adheres to what he

himself has known scene and discover

insisting only this is true and anything

else is wrong I also do not grant him

this why is that because Ananda the to

target is knowledge of the great

exposition of action is otherwise

they're in Ananda when a recluse or

Brahman says indeed there are good

actions there is result of good conduct

I grant him this and when he says I saw

a person who abstained from killing

living beings and held right view and I

saw that on the death solution of the

body after death he reappeared in the

happy destination even in a heavenly

world I also grant him this but when he

says on the Des Aleutian of the body

after bet death everyone who abstained

from killing living beings and holds

right view reappears and happy

destination even in the heavenly world I

do not grant him this and when he says

those who know thus know rightly those

who think otherwise are mistaken I do

not grant him this and when he

obstinately adheres to what he himself

has known seen and discovered insisting

only this is true and anything else is

wrong I do not grant him this why is

that because Ananda the to target as'

knowledge of the great exposition of

action is otherwise

they're in when a recluse or Brahman

says indeed there are no good actions

there is no good no result of Good

Conduct I I do not grant him this when

he says I saw people I saw a person who

abstained from killing living beings in

held right view and I see on the death

solution of the body after death he has

reappeared in a state of deprivation

even in hell I grant him that but when

he says on the dissolution of the body

after death everyone who abstains from

killing living beings and holds right

view appears in a state of deprivation

even in hell I do not grant him this and

when he says those who do not know

rightly those who think otherwise are

mistaken I do not grant him this when he

obstinately adheres to what he himself

has known seen and discovered insisting

only this is true and anything else is

wrong I do not grant him this why is

that because an under the two toccatas

knowledge of the great exposition of

action as otherwise there in a non as a

person who kills living beings and holds

wrong view on the dissolution of the

body after death reappears in a state of

deprivation even in hell either he

earlier did an evil action to be felt as

painful or later he did an evil action

to be felt as painful or at the time of

death he acquired and undertook wrong

view because of that on the dissolution

of the body after death he is

reappeared in a state of deprivation

even in hell and since he has has here

killed living beings and holds wrong

view he will experience the result

either here and now or in the next

rebirth or in sub sub sub subsequent

existence so it doesn't have to come

back at tree immediately it can come

back at you it's like that the guy that

was the executioner for 50 years he cut

off people's head he was reborn in a

heavenly realm because he had a lot of

joy when he gave sorry boo to some some

food it doesn't mean that he's not going

to suffer some time in the future that

karma of killing also many people will

come back at him but you don't know when

it's going to come back that's the thing

and if you say only this is true and

everything else is wrong you don't know

how the karma is going to unfold there

in Ananda as to the person who kills

living beings and holds wrong view on

the debt solution of the body after

death reappears in a happy destination

either earlier he did good action to be

felt as pleasant or later he did good

action to be felt as pleasant or at the

time of death he acquired and undertook

right view because of that on the

dissolution of the body after death he

has reappeared in a happy destination

even in the heavenly world but since he

has killed living beings and held wrong

view he will experience the result of

ease

of that either here and now or in his

next rebirth or in sub subsequent

existence there in ananda as to the

person here who abstains from killing

living beings holding right view and on

the debt solution of the body after

death reappears in a happy destination

either earlier he did good action to be

felt as pleasant or later he did good

action to be felt as pleasant or at the

time of death he acquired and undertook

great view because of that on the

desolation of the body after death he

reappeared in a happy destination even

in a heavenly world since he has

abstained from killing living beings and

held right view he will experience the

result of that either here and now or

and as next rebirth or in sub subsequent

existence there in ananda as to a person

who abstains from killing beings and

holds right view on the dissolution of

the body after death reappears in a

state of deprivation either he earlier

he did an evil action to be felt as

painful or later he did an evil action

to be felt as painful or at the time of

the death he acquired and undertook

wrong view because of that on the

dissolution of the body after death he

has reappeared in the state of

deprivation even in hell but since he

has abstained from killing living beings

and held right view he will experience

the result either here and now or in his

next rebirth or in some subsequent

existence thus ananda there is action

that is incapable and n appears

incapable

there is actions that is incapable and

appears capable there is action that is

capable and appears capable and there is

action that is capable and as appears

incapable that is what the Blessed One

said the venerable Ananda was satisfied

and delighted in the Blessed ones words

so this is something to keep in mind so

two monks there are these five courses

of speech here in monks you should train

thus wait a minute their speech may be

either timely or untimely true or untrue

gentle or harsh connected with good or

with harm spoken with the mind of loving

kindness or with inner hate when others

address you their speech may be timely

or untimely when others address you

their speech may be true or untrue when

others address you their speech may be

gentle or harsh when others address you

their speech may be connected with good

or with harm when others address you

their speech may be spoken with a mind

of loving kindness or with inner hate

here in monks you should train thus our

minds will remain unaffected and we

shall utter no evil words we shall abide

compassionate for their welfare with a

mind of loving kindness without internet

we shall abide pervading that person

with a mind imbued with loving kindness

starting with him we shall abide

pervading the all-encompassing world

with a mind the abundant exalted

immeasurable without hostility and

without ill will that is how you should

train even if bandits were to sever you

savagely limb by limb with

two-handed saw he who gave rise to a

mind of hate towards them would not be

carrying out my teaching here in moncks

you should train thus our minds will

remain unaffected and we shall utter no

evil words we shall abide compassionate

for their welfare with a mind of

loving-kindness without inner hate we

shall abide pervading them with a mind

imbued with loving kindness starting

with them we shall abide pervading the

all-encompassing world with a mind

imbued with loving kindness abundant

exalted and miserable without hostility

and without ill will that is how you

should train monks if you keep this

advice on simile of the saw constantly

in mind do you see any course of speech

trivial or gross that you could not

endure no venerable sir therefore monks

you should keep this advice on the

simile of the saw constantly in mind

that will lead to your welfare and

happiness for a long time so the whole

thing with both of these souta's is that

you never know when your when evil karma

or bad karma is going to come in version

this was very apparent with venerable

mogul Anna he was second to the Buddha

and psychic abilities he lived up on

vultures peak and he would go down to

every day to his arms around and there

were some somebody paid some bandits to

go up and kill him but he would see them

coming and he would use his psychic

ability and he would fly down the hill

and they could never catch him but one

day he saw them coming and his psychic

ability left him and these guys got

ahold of him and they pretty much

tortured him and they said that there

was no bone in his body left bigger than

a grain of rice Oh while he was being

thrashed and beaten he got into the

cessation of perception feeling

unconsciousness so he didn't feel it

he started reflecting on why this

happened to him and he remembered that

in a past life time he had a blind

mother and father and he had to take

care of them and his wife got real tired

of taking care of him care of his folks

and she finally talked him into going

out and killing them so he loaded him

into a wagon then he went out of ways

and he made sounds like somebody was

running up to them and he changed his

voice and made it a lot of cursing and

that sort of thing and made sounds like

he was really getting hurt and his blind

mother and father what they did was they

told they kept yelling out that he

should run away it didn't matter what

happened to that he should run away and

they he started beating them with sticks

and stones and stuff like that and as he

kept hearing them yelled to their son to

get away he started feeling kind of

guilty but he'd beaten them so badly

that when he stopped and tried to give

them some comfort they died as a result

he was beaten up pretty badly but this

was a lot of lifetimes ago you never

know when it's going to come now he was

in Arad he didn't have any attachments

at all and this still came back and got

him because

of past action so what what happened was

after they left him for dead he got out

of the cessation of perception feeling

in consciousness and the psychic

abilities came back and he flew to the

Buddha and paid homage to Buddha and

thank them for all the day had done and

he went off and died by himself so the

thing is everybody has these ideas of

theirs immediate retribution for your

actions and sometimes there is and

sometimes there isn't so you never know

what kind of karma is going to come back

whether it's good better and different

it can come back at any time

interesting suta so there is no

predicting I mean you as a monkey all

right there probably has a good karma

they gave a lot and that sort of thing

and they will get good results at some

point where they're reborn sometimes you

can tell and sometimes you can then

there was a guy that became very famous

because somebody would bring him a skull

and he could tap the skull and see what

what realm he was in you've heard this

one before so the Buddha wanted to fool

him and he gave him the skull of an are

hot and he tapped on it couldn't tell

tapped on it again still couldn't tell

he said I have no idea where this is

read this guy is reborn so the Buddha

told him he was an are hot and he told

the guy that if he wanted to become a

monk that he would have the same

destination so he became a monk and

eventually became in our hot

but that's how the Buddha tricked them

into doing it

good fun

may suffering ones be suffering free of

the fear strut fearless be may the

grieving should all grief and may all

beings find relief may all beings you're

the spirit that we've thus acquired for

the acquisition of all kinds of

happiness may beings inhabiting space

and earth Davis and I as a mighty power

share this Meredith horse may they long

protect the Buddhist dispensation

thus if I heard on one occasion the

blessed one was living in raja gaha in

the bamboo grove the squirrel sanctuary

now on that occasion of venerable samee

tea was living in the forest hut then

wanderer potala puta while wandering and

walking for exercise went to the

venerable samee tea and exchange

greetings with him when this courteous

and amiable talk was finished he sat

down in one side and said two venerable

samee T friend Sam ET i heard and

learned this from the Rekluse gautama

zone lips bodily action is vain verbal

action is vain only mental action is

real and there is that attainment on the

entering in which one does not feel

anything at all do not say so friend but

to a puta do not say so do not

misrepresent the blessed one it is not

good to misrepresent the blessed one the

Brett blessed one would not speak this

bodily action is vain verbal action as

vain only mental action is real but

friend there is that attainment upon

entering which one does not feel

anything at all how long since you've

gone forth friend Sam ET not long friend

three years there now what shall we say

to the or

to the elder baku's when a young Baku

finds the teacher is to be defended thus

friend Sam ed having done an intentional

action by way of body speech and mind

what does one feel having done an

intentional action by way of body speech

or mind one feel suffering friend then

neither approving or disapproving the

venerable to meet these words the

wanderer rose from the seat and departed

soon after wandering if soon after the

wanderer had left venerable samee T went

to the venerable ananda and exchange

greetings with him when this courteous

and amiable talk was finished he sat

down at one side and reported to the

venerable ananda the entire conversation

with the wanderer after he had spoken of

in irbil ananda told him friend sammy t

this conversation should be told to the

blessed one come let us approach the

blessed one and tell him this as the

blessed one explains to us so shall we

bear it in mind yes friend the venerable

samee d replied then the venerable

ananda and the venerable samee t went

together with wood to the blessed one

after paying homage to him they sat down

at one side the venerable ananda

reported to the blessed one the entire

conversation between venerable smiddy

and the wanderer when he had finished

the blessed one told the venerable

Ananda Ananda i do not even recall ever

having seen this wanderer so how could

he have been

there how could there have been this

conversation though the Wanderers

question should have been analyzed

before being answered this misguided man

Sam ET answered in one answered it

one-sidedly when this was said the

venerable who died and said to the

blessed one venerable sir perhaps the

venerable samee T spoke thus referring

to the principal whatever is felt

includes is included in suffering then a

blessed one addressed ananda see ananda

how this misguided men who died in

interferes i knew ananda that this

misguided man who Diane would unduly

interfere right now from the start of

from the start The Wanderer had asked

about three kinds of feeling this

misguided man Sam ed would have answered

The Wanderer rightly if he asked thus he

would have explained friend friend

wanderer having done an internal an

intentional action by way of body speech

or mind whose result is to be felt as

pleasant one feels pleasure having done

an intentional action by way of body

speech or mine whose result is to be

felt as painful one feels pain having

done an intentional action by body

speech or mine whose result is to be

felt as neither painful nor pleasure

feels neither painful nor pleasure but

what are these foolish thoughtless

wanderers of other sex that they could

could understand the two taka does great

exposition of action you should listen

Ananda to the Tatar gotta as he explains

the great exposition of action that took

a long time to get down to it this is

the time Blessed One this is the time

sublime one for the blessed one to

expound the great exposition of action

having heard it from the blessed one

amongst will remember it then listen

Ananda and ten closely to what I shall

say yes venerable sir venerable amount

of replied the blessed one said this

Ananda there are four kinds of persons

to be found existing in the world what

for here some person kills living beings

take it takes what is not given miss

conducts himself and sensual pleasures

speaks falsehood speaks maliciously

speech harshly gossips his covetous he

has a mind of ill will and holds wrong

view on the desolation after after death

he reappears in a state of deprivation

and an unhappy dated destination even in

hell but there is some person kills

living beings takes what is not given

miss conducts himself and sensual

pleasures speaks falsehood speaks

maliciously speaks harshly gossips his

covetous has a mind of ill will and

holds wrong view on the death solution

of the body after death he reappears in

a happy destination even in a heavenly

world hears some person abstains from

killing living beings from taking what

is not given from Miss Conda

10 sensual pleasures from false speech

malicious speech harsh speech from

gossip he is not covetous his mind is

without ill will any holds right view on

the debt solution after a body after

death he reappears in a happy

destination even in a heavenly world but

here's some person abstained from

killing living beings from taking what

is not given from miss conducting and

misconduct in sensual pleasures from

false speech from malicious speech from

harsh speech from gossip he is not

covetous his mind is not filled with

ill-will and he holds the right view on

a dissolution of the body after death he

reappears in a state of deprivation in

an unhappy destination even inhale here

Ananda by means of ardor endeavor

devotion diligence and right attention

some Rekluse or Brahman attains such

concentration of mine collected pneus of

mine when his mind is collected with the

divine I which is purified and surpasses

the human he sees that person who kills

living beings and whole trong view and

sees that person on the desolation of

the body after death he reappeared in

the state of deprivation in an unhappy

destination even in hell he says thus I

indeed there are evil actions there is

the result of misconduct for I saw a

person here killed who killed living

beings and held wrong view and I see

that on the dissolution of the

after death he reappeared in a state of

deprivation he says thus on the death

solution of the body after death

everyone who kills living beings and

hold wrong view appears in a state of

deprivation even in hell those who know

thus know rightly those who think

otherwise are mistaken thus he

obstinately adheres to what he himself

has known seen and discovered insisting

only this is true and anything else is

wrong but here ananda by means of art or

some recluse or Brahman attained such a

collectiveness of mind that when his

mind is collected with a divine eye

which is purified and surpasses a human

he sees that person who kills living

beings and holds wrong view and he sees

that on a debt solution of the body

after death he reappeared in a happy

destination even a heavenly world he

says thus indeed there are no evil

actions there is no result of misconduct

for I saw person here who killed living

beings and held wrong view and I see

that on a Desilu shin of the body after

death he reappeared in a happy

destination even in a heavenly world

thus he says on a Desilu shin of the

body after death everyone who kills

living beings and holds wrong view

appears in a happy destination even in a

heavenly realm those who know thus know

rightly those who think otherwise are

mistaken these are the kind of views

that were very prevalent during

time of the Buddha thus he obstinately

adheres to what he himself has known

seen and discovered insisting only this

is true and anything else is wrong so

you have one guy that says you do these

actions you're going to go to hell

that's it another guy says well there is

no there is no result of this karma

because he did all of these actions and

now he's in a heavenly realm how can

that be

here ananda by means of artur summary

closer brahmin attains such a collected

pneus of mind that when his mind is

collected with the divine eye which is

purified in surpasses a human he sees

that person who abstained from killing

living beings and holds right view and

he sees that on a Desilu shin of the

body after death he reappeared in a

happy destination even in a heavenly

world he says thus indeed there are good

actions there is result of good conduct

for I saw a person here abstains from

killing living beings in held right view

and I see that on the debt solution of

the body after death he reappears and a

happy destination even in a heavenly

world he says thus on the desolation of

the body after death everyone who

abstains from killing living beings and

holds right view appears in a happy

destination that's where that's where

they all get caught they say everybody

because I saw this everybody's like that

that's way it's going to happen

those who know thus know rightly those

who think otherwise are mistaken thus he

abstinent Lee holds to what he himself

has known seen and discovered insisting

only this is true and anything else is

wrong but here ananda by means of artur

some recluse or Brahman attains to such

collectiveness of mind that when his

mind is collected with the divine eye

which is purified and surpasses a human

he sees that person who abstains from

killing living beings and hold right

view and he sees that on a debt solution

of the body after death he reappeared in

a state of deprivation in an unhappy

destination even in hell he says thus

indeed there are no good actions there

is no result of good karma are good

conduct for I saw a person who has

abstained from killing living beings and

held right new and I see that on a

Desilu shin of the body after death is

reappeared in the state of deprivation

even in hell he says thus on the

desolation of the body after death

everyone who abstains from killing

living beings and holds right view

reappears in a state of deprivation even

in hell those who know thus know rightly

those who think otherwise are mistaken

thus he obstinately adheres to what he

himself has known seen and discovered

insisting only this is true and anything

else is wrong there in Ananda when a

recluse or Brahman says indeed there are

evil action

there is result of misconduct I grant

him this when he says I saw a person who

killed living beings and held wrong view

and I see that on a dissolution of the

body after death he reappeared in a

state of deprivation even in hell I also

grant him this but when he says on the

dissolution of the body after death

everyone who kills living beings and

holds wrong view reappears in a state of

deprivation even in hell I do not grant

him this when he says those who know

thus know rightly those who think

otherwise are mistaken I do not grant

him this when he is obstinately adheres

to what he himself has known seen and

discovered insisting only this is true

and anything is wrong I also do not

grant him this why is that because

Ananda the target is knowledge of the

great exposition of action is otherwise

they're in Ananda winner Rekluse where

Brahman says indeed there are no evil

actions there's no result of misconduct

I do not grant him this when he says I

saw a person who killed living beings

and held wrong view and I see that on

the death solution of the body after

death he reappears in a happy

destination even in a heavenly realm I

grant him this but when he says on the

death solution of the body after death

everyone who kills living beings and

holds that wrong view appears in a happy

destination

in a heavenly world I do not grant him

this and when he says those who know

thus rightly those who think otherwise

are mistaken I do not grant him this and

when he obstinately adheres to what he

himself has known scene and discover

insisting only this is true and anything

else is wrong I also do not grant him

this why is that because Ananda the to

target is knowledge of the great

exposition of action is otherwise

they're in Ananda when a recluse or

Brahman says indeed there are good

actions there is result of good conduct

I grant him this and when he says I saw

a person who abstained from killing

living beings and held right view and I

saw that on the death solution of the

body after death he reappeared in the

happy destination even in a heavenly

world I also grant him this but when he

says on the Des Aleutian of the body

after bet death everyone who abstained

from killing living beings and holds

right view reappears and happy

destination even in the heavenly world I

do not grant him this and when he says

those who know thus know rightly those

who think otherwise are mistaken I do

not grant him this and when he

obstinately adheres to what he himself

has known seen and discovered insisting

only this is true and anything else is

wrong I do not grant him this why is

that because Ananda the to target as'

knowledge of the great exposition of

action is otherwise

they're in when a recluse or Brahman

says indeed there are no good actions

there is no good no result of Good

Conduct I I do not grant him this when

he says I saw people I saw a person who

abstained from killing living beings in

held right view and I see on the death

solution of the body after death he has

reappeared in a state of deprivation

even in hell I grant him that but when

he says on the dissolution of the body

after death everyone who abstains from

killing living beings and holds right

view appears in a state of deprivation

even in hell I do not grant him this and

when he says those who do not know

rightly those who think otherwise are

mistaken I do not grant him this when he

obstinately adheres to what he himself

has known seen and discovered insisting

only this is true and anything else is

wrong I do not grant him this why is

that because an under the two toccatas

knowledge of the great exposition of

action as otherwise there in a non as a

person who kills living beings and holds

wrong view on the dissolution of the

body after death reappears in a state of

deprivation even in hell either he

earlier did an evil action to be felt as

painful or later he did an evil action

to be felt as painful or at the time of

death he acquired and undertook wrong

view because of that on the dissolution

of the body after death he is

reappeared in a state of deprivation

even in hell and since he has has here

killed living beings and holds wrong

view he will experience the result

either here and now or in the next

rebirth or in sub sub sub subsequent

existence so it doesn't have to come

back at tree immediately it can come

back at you it's like that the guy that

was the executioner for 50 years he cut

off people's head he was reborn in a

heavenly realm because he had a lot of

joy when he gave sorry boo to some some

food it doesn't mean that he's not going

to suffer some time in the future that

karma of killing also many people will

come back at him but you don't know when

it's going to come back that's the thing

and if you say only this is true and

everything else is wrong you don't know

how the karma is going to unfold there

in Ananda as to the person who kills

living beings and holds wrong view on

the debt solution of the body after

death reappears in a happy destination

either earlier he did good action to be

felt as pleasant or later he did good

action to be felt as pleasant or at the

time of death he acquired and undertook

right view because of that on the

dissolution of the body after death he

has reappeared in a happy destination

even in the heavenly world but since he

has killed living beings and held wrong

view he will experience the result of

ease

of that either here and now or in his

next rebirth or in sub subsequent

existence there in ananda as to the

person here who abstains from killing

living beings holding right view and on

the debt solution of the body after

death reappears in a happy destination

either earlier he did good action to be

felt as pleasant or later he did good

action to be felt as pleasant or at the

time of death he acquired and undertook

great view because of that on the

desolation of the body after death he

reappeared in a happy destination even

in a heavenly world since he has

abstained from killing living beings and

held right view he will experience the

result of that either here and now or

and as next rebirth or in sub subsequent

existence there in ananda as to a person

who abstains from killing beings and

holds right view on the dissolution of

the body after death reappears in a

state of deprivation either he earlier

he did an evil action to be felt as

painful or later he did an evil action

to be felt as painful or at the time of

the death he acquired and undertook

wrong view because of that on the

dissolution of the body after death he

has reappeared in the state of

deprivation even in hell but since he

has abstained from killing living beings

and held right view he will experience

the result either here and now or in his

next rebirth or in some subsequent

existence thus ananda there is action

that is incapable and n appears

incapable

there is actions that is incapable and

appears capable there is action that is

capable and appears capable and there is

action that is capable and as appears

incapable that is what the Blessed One

said the venerable Ananda was satisfied

and delighted in the Blessed ones words

so this is something to keep in mind so

two monks there are these five courses

of speech here in monks you should train

thus wait a minute their speech may be

either timely or untimely true or untrue

gentle or harsh connected with good or

with harm spoken with the mind of loving

kindness or with inner hate when others

address you their speech may be timely

or untimely when others address you

their speech may be true or untrue when

others address you their speech may be

gentle or harsh when others address you

their speech may be connected with good

or with harm when others address you

their speech may be spoken with a mind

of loving kindness or with inner hate

here in monks you should train thus our

minds will remain unaffected and we

shall utter no evil words we shall abide

compassionate for their welfare with a

mind of loving kindness without internet

we shall abide pervading that person

with a mind imbued with loving kindness

starting with him we shall abide

pervading the all-encompassing world

with a mind the abundant exalted

immeasurable without hostility and

without ill will that is how you should

train even if bandits were to sever you

savagely limb by limb with

two-handed saw he who gave rise to a

mind of hate towards them would not be

carrying out my teaching here in moncks

you should train thus our minds will

remain unaffected and we shall utter no

evil words we shall abide compassionate

for their welfare with a mind of

loving-kindness without inner hate we

shall abide pervading them with a mind

imbued with loving kindness starting

with them we shall abide pervading the

all-encompassing world with a mind

imbued with loving kindness abundant

exalted and miserable without hostility

and without ill will that is how you

should train monks if you keep this

advice on simile of the saw constantly

in mind do you see any course of speech

trivial or gross that you could not

endure no venerable sir therefore monks

you should keep this advice on the

simile of the saw constantly in mind

that will lead to your welfare and

happiness for a long time so the whole

thing with both of these souta's is that

you never know when your when evil karma

or bad karma is going to come in version

this was very apparent with venerable

mogul Anna he was second to the Buddha

and psychic abilities he lived up on

vultures peak and he would go down to

every day to his arms around and there

were some somebody paid some bandits to

go up and kill him but he would see them

coming and he would use his psychic

ability and he would fly down the hill

and they could never catch him but one

day he saw them coming and his psychic

ability left him and these guys got

ahold of him and they pretty much

tortured him and they said that there

was no bone in his body left bigger than

a grain of rice Oh while he was being

thrashed and beaten he got into the

cessation of perception feeling

unconsciousness so he didn't feel it

he started reflecting on why this

happened to him and he remembered that

in a past life time he had a blind

mother and father and he had to take

care of them and his wife got real tired

of taking care of him care of his folks

and she finally talked him into going

out and killing them so he loaded him

into a wagon then he went out of ways

and he made sounds like somebody was

running up to them and he changed his

voice and made it a lot of cursing and

that sort of thing and made sounds like

he was really getting hurt and his blind

mother and father what they did was they

told they kept yelling out that he

should run away it didn't matter what

happened to that he should run away and

they he started beating them with sticks

and stones and stuff like that and as he

kept hearing them yelled to their son to

get away he started feeling kind of

guilty but he'd beaten them so badly

that when he stopped and tried to give

them some comfort they died as a result

he was beaten up pretty badly but this

was a lot of lifetimes ago you never

know when it's going to come now he was

in Arad he didn't have any attachments

at all and this still came back and got

him because

of past action so what what happened was

after they left him for dead he got out

of the cessation of perception feeling

in consciousness and the psychic

abilities came back and he flew to the

Buddha and paid homage to Buddha and

thank them for all the day had done and

he went off and died by himself so the

thing is everybody has these ideas of

theirs immediate retribution for your

actions and sometimes there is and

sometimes there isn't so you never know

what kind of karma is going to come back

whether it's good better and different

it can come back at any time

interesting suta so there is no

predicting I mean you as a monkey all

right there probably has a good karma

they gave a lot and that sort of thing

and they will get good results at some

point where they're reborn sometimes you

can tell and sometimes you can then

there was a guy that became very famous

because somebody would bring him a skull

and he could tap the skull and see what

what realm he was in you've heard this

one before so the Buddha wanted to fool

him and he gave him the skull of an are

hot and he tapped on it couldn't tell

tapped on it again still couldn't tell

he said I have no idea where this is

read this guy is reborn so the Buddha

told him he was an are hot and he told

the guy that if he wanted to become a

monk that he would have the same

destination so he became a monk and

eventually became in our hot

but that's how the Buddha tricked them

into doing it

good fun

may suffering ones be suffering free of

the fear strut fearless be may the

grieving should all grief and may all

beings find relief may all beings you're

the spirit that we've thus acquired for

the acquisition of all kinds of

happiness may beings inhabiting space

and earth Davis and I as a mighty power

share this Meredith horse may they long

protect the Buddhist dispensation