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Context: Throughout this transcript, Bhante Vimalaramsi is the speaker unless otherwise indicated.

so when all of these enlightenment

factors are deep enough and in perfect

balance then you will experience me mana

at that time and we'll go on and show

you how that happens again monks by

completely surmounting the base of

neither perception nor non-perception by

this time when you get into the realm of

neither perception nor non-perception

any anything that arises in the mind and

6rs just automatically take care of it

now they're relaxing it is a very very

necessary and important aspect of the

meditation because you've been doing the

relaxing from the very beginning and

your mind went from flip-flopping back

and forth and as you relaxed more and

more it stopped moving quite so much

when you got into the fourth jhana

instead of moving so much it's vibrating

as you continue relaxing the vibration

becomes less and less and less until you

get to neither perception nor

non-perception it's hard to tell whether

there's any vibration at all but there

is some then by completely overcoming

the base of neither perception nor

non-perception sorry pluto entered upon

and abided in the cessation of

perception and feeling and this is when

that vibration completely stops there's

no more movement of mind's attention at

all

and his states were destroyed by his

seeing with wisdom what does this say

this says that what happens when the

perception and feeling arose again there

has to be this stopping and then the

starting up again but your mindfulness

is so sharp at this time you're able to

see exactly how the links of dependent

origination arise and how they cease and

your understanding is so good that it

destroys all of the tanks then the

experience of Nirvana occurs this is

exactly how it happens a lot of people

that I've talked to come to me and they

said you know I've had this experience

and I think I'm enlightened what do you

think and I talked to them and then I

start talking about dependent

origination in this they haven't seen

dependent origination then that's not

the navona that the buddha was talking

about I have had one or two people come

to me and they said you know I had this

experience it was at closing off and

then I saw some things I didn't really

recognize him they were flashing very

quickly and then I had this experience

that I think was Nibbana what do you

think and then I start talking to them

about dependent origination and they go

to the text and I read it and then they

start going oh yeah yeah yeah that's

right

I saw that I saw that I say okay you've

had the experience good for you and

there's still more to do oh you mean I

I gotta go through this whole thing

again well you've had what is called

task knowledge the fruition knowledge is

where it happens again

there and it can happen while you're

doing just about anything I had one

student that it happened to she she had

the experience at a retreat she went

home two days later she's washing the

dishes and she feels this deep deep

state coming up and she goes and she

sits down and she sees an infestation

and perception and feeling and then she

sees the dependent origination and then

she she has this experience again

well what just happened to me you've

just experienced the fruition that's

where the personality change really

happens that's where you don't ever

again have any doubt as to whether your

experience was real or not you don't

have any doubt as to whether dependent

origination is real or not

you don't have any doubt as to whether

the the Four Noble Truths are real or

not you don't have any belief that rites

and rituals are going to show you two

need honor you don't have any belief

that whatever arises is personal you see

everything as being an impersonal

process you don't have any lust arise in

your mind ever again you don't have any

hatred arise in your mind ever again

doesn't matter what happens it just will

not arise again

that's a person that has pretty good

mindfulness and they're real fun to be

around whenever you can find them now

what happens with the fruition and

you'll be able to tell what level of

your fruition you are experiencing is by

the number of times you see the

dependent origination arise and pass

away if you see it arise and pass away

three times really quickly and then you

have the experience of Nirvana again

that means that you are an on egami

you're at the third stage of

enlightenment and I just described that

if you see that happens four times then

you have become an auto hot and Inara

hot they don't have any pride they don't

have any any desire to be reborn

anywhere they don't have any

restlessness arise they don't have any

dullness arise they don't have any

ignorance they are the kind of person

you really want to hang around if you're

going to hang around with somebody

because their mind is so clear and so

bright and so in the present moment and

so had their so intuitive that you can

ask them even the dumbest questions and

they will give you an answer that's

really appropriate according to the

Dhamma that's the advantage of becoming

an ayah

that happened in this lifetime yes

haven't run across many people that have

but then again there's not a whole lot

of people that have gone back to the

original teachings of the Buddha and

followed the directions the way he gave

them without adding or subtracting

things you can't add or subtract

anything in this practice if you're

really serious about getting off of the

wheel of samsara you have to give up

other disciplines and just do this

discipline if you start mixing

disciplines then you start developing

some bad habits one way or another and

that slows down your progress and can

actually stop your progress so you have

to be real careful with

puta emerged mindful some that

attainment having done so he recalled

the states that had passed ceased and

changed so indeed these states not

having been come into being they

vanished

regarding those states he abided

unattracted on repelled independently

tax-free associated with a mine rate of

barriers he understood there is no

escape beyond this and with the

cultivation of that attainment he

confirmed that there is not he knew that

his work had been done but the

importance of this can't be understated

this is the experience of Nirvana there

can't be any other experience of me Bona

and that's one of the things that the

Buddha says when he's talking about

dependent origination either you see it

or you don't if you don't you ain't got

it so that was one of the reasons that I

told that time evening tie out yesterday

and said this is what the Buddha says to

look for in a teacher you look for a

teacher that knows and understands

dependent origination in the Four Noble

Truths and how do you do your practice

by practicing observing how Minds

attention moves through the Four Noble

Truths and dependent origination that's

the practice and it's kind of been set

aside because there's a commentaries

that they try to divide dependent

origination up into three lifetimes and

talk about dependent origination

generally or they try to do it through a

be Dhamma

which is a real maze trying to get

through to have any any deep

understanding but the only way you're

going to experience nirvana is through

seeing dependent origination and finding

a teacher that talks about it constantly

so when all of these enlightenment

factors are deep enough and in perfect

balance then you will experience me mana

at that time and we'll go on and show

you how that happens again monks by

completely surmounting the base of

neither perception nor non-perception by

this time when you get into the realm of

neither perception nor non-perception

any anything that arises in the mind and

6rs just automatically take care of it

now they're relaxing it is a very very

necessary and important aspect of the

meditation because you've been doing the

relaxing from the very beginning and

your mind went from flip-flopping back

and forth and as you relaxed more and

more it stopped moving quite so much

when you got into the fourth jhana

instead of moving so much it's vibrating

as you continue relaxing the vibration

becomes less and less and less until you

get to neither perception nor

non-perception it's hard to tell whether

there's any vibration at all but there

is some then by completely overcoming

the base of neither perception nor

non-perception sorry pluto entered upon

and abided in the cessation of

perception and feeling and this is when

that vibration completely stops there's

no more movement of mind's attention at

all

and his states were destroyed by his

seeing with wisdom what does this say

this says that what happens when the

perception and feeling arose again there

has to be this stopping and then the

starting up again but your mindfulness

is so sharp at this time you're able to

see exactly how the links of dependent

origination arise and how they cease and

your understanding is so good that it

destroys all of the tanks then the

experience of Nirvana occurs this is

exactly how it happens a lot of people

that I've talked to come to me and they

said you know I've had this experience

and I think I'm enlightened what do you

think and I talked to them and then I

start talking about dependent

origination in this they haven't seen

dependent origination then that's not

the navona that the buddha was talking

about I have had one or two people come

to me and they said you know I had this

experience it was at closing off and

then I saw some things I didn't really

recognize him they were flashing very

quickly and then I had this experience

that I think was Nibbana what do you

think and then I start talking to them

about dependent origination and they go

to the text and I read it and then they

start going oh yeah yeah yeah that's

right

I saw that I saw that I say okay you've

had the experience good for you and

there's still more to do oh you mean I

I gotta go through this whole thing

again well you've had what is called

task knowledge the fruition knowledge is

where it happens again

there and it can happen while you're

doing just about anything I had one

student that it happened to she she had

the experience at a retreat she went

home two days later she's washing the

dishes and she feels this deep deep

state coming up and she goes and she

sits down and she sees an infestation

and perception and feeling and then she

sees the dependent origination and then

she she has this experience again

well what just happened to me you've

just experienced the fruition that's

where the personality change really

happens that's where you don't ever

again have any doubt as to whether your

experience was real or not you don't

have any doubt as to whether dependent

origination is real or not

you don't have any doubt as to whether

the the Four Noble Truths are real or

not you don't have any belief that rites

and rituals are going to show you two

need honor you don't have any belief

that whatever arises is personal you see

everything as being an impersonal

process you don't have any lust arise in

your mind ever again you don't have any

hatred arise in your mind ever again

doesn't matter what happens it just will

not arise again

that's a person that has pretty good

mindfulness and they're real fun to be

around whenever you can find them now

what happens with the fruition and

you'll be able to tell what level of

your fruition you are experiencing is by

the number of times you see the

dependent origination arise and pass

away if you see it arise and pass away

three times really quickly and then you

have the experience of Nirvana again

that means that you are an on egami

you're at the third stage of

enlightenment and I just described that

if you see that happens four times then

you have become an auto hot and Inara

hot they don't have any pride they don't

have any any desire to be reborn

anywhere they don't have any

restlessness arise they don't have any

dullness arise they don't have any

ignorance they are the kind of person

you really want to hang around if you're

going to hang around with somebody

because their mind is so clear and so

bright and so in the present moment and

so had their so intuitive that you can

ask them even the dumbest questions and

they will give you an answer that's

really appropriate according to the

Dhamma that's the advantage of becoming

an ayah

that happened in this lifetime yes

haven't run across many people that have

but then again there's not a whole lot

of people that have gone back to the

original teachings of the Buddha and

followed the directions the way he gave

them without adding or subtracting

things you can't add or subtract

anything in this practice if you're

really serious about getting off of the

wheel of samsara you have to give up

other disciplines and just do this

discipline if you start mixing

disciplines then you start developing

some bad habits one way or another and

that slows down your progress and can

actually stop your progress so you have

to be real careful with

puta emerged mindful some that

attainment having done so he recalled

the states that had passed ceased and

changed so indeed these states not

having been come into being they

vanished

regarding those states he abided

unattracted on repelled independently

tax-free associated with a mine rate of

barriers he understood there is no

escape beyond this and with the

cultivation of that attainment he

confirmed that there is not he knew that

his work had been done but the

importance of this can't be understated

this is the experience of Nirvana there

can't be any other experience of me Bona

and that's one of the things that the

Buddha says when he's talking about

dependent origination either you see it

or you don't if you don't you ain't got

it so that was one of the reasons that I

told that time evening tie out yesterday

and said this is what the Buddha says to

look for in a teacher you look for a

teacher that knows and understands

dependent origination in the Four Noble

Truths and how do you do your practice

by practicing observing how Minds

attention moves through the Four Noble

Truths and dependent origination that's

the practice and it's kind of been set

aside because there's a commentaries

that they try to divide dependent

origination up into three lifetimes and

talk about dependent origination

generally or they try to do it through a

be Dhamma

which is a real maze trying to get

through to have any any deep

understanding but the only way you're

going to experience nirvana is through

seeing dependent origination and finding

a teacher that talks about it constantly