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Context: Throughout this transcript, Bhante Vimalaramsi is the speaker unless otherwise indicated.

how can I say a different aspect of the

rounds of existence and it starts

talking a little bit about Concepcion

Concepcion in the womb what it takes to

have that conception there has to be

three things there has to be a the the

woman has to be in the right season it

has to be a man and there has to be a

consciousness that enters the in one of

the commentaries this is called the

dispeller of delusion it talks about the

unsatisfactoriness of being in the womb

and a lot of people have this idea that

it's such a great thing but I wanted to

read this to you just to give you an

idea of the kind of suffering that

occurs now meaning suffering and birth

should be understood for this birth is

not itself suffering but being a basis

and arising suffering this is called

suffering rooted in descent into the

womb and so on in the mother's womb he

is not inside a blue or red or white

lotus etc but on the contrary like a

worm in rotting flesh a cesspool etc

he's born in a part of the body that's

below the receptacle of undigested food

and above the receptacle for digested

food between the belly lining in the

backbone which is very cramped quite

dark pervaded by supremely futura drafts

of impurity

it has a lot of bad odors and is

exceptionally loathsome and upon and on

being reborn there for 10 months he

undergoes excessive suffering being

cooked like a pudding in a bag by the

heat produced by the mother's womb and

steamed like a dumpling of dough with no

bending or stretching but when the

mother suddenly stumbles or moves or

sits down or gets up or turns around

there's extreme suffering that the baby

undergoes by being dragged back and

forth and jolted up and down like a kid

falling from the hands of a drunkard

like a snake by snakes young fallen from

the hands of a snake charmer also the

sharp pain he undergoes as he appears in

in the cold hell's when his mother

drinks cold water as though indulged

deluge by a rain of embers when she

swallows hot rice gruel or rice as

though coming to the torture of lye

pickling when she swallows what is salt

or acid etc so this gives you an idea of

it's not that great a thing to be reborn

in a womb and the reason that I'm

bringing it up is because there is a lot

of suffering that does occur for a baby

they hear sounds that are amazing

they hear all kinds of moans and groans

of the body they hear sounds outside of

the body and some of those sounds can be

quite nasty suddenly all of a sudden

there's this loud bang or loud music or

something like that at the time of birth

they get forced into this little area

and the body is rejecting them now

they've been in they've been in the womb

for a long time and this is a reasonably

safe place and all of a sudden that's

rejecting them and it's squeezing in on

them and it's forcing them to to lean

and that's really traumatic very heavy

when they get out of the womb their

senses are very very CUTE the slightest

little noises can be a big shock

quite often you go into the hospitals

they have bright lights the baby is

blinded by these lights because they've

been in the dark for a long time they

have sounds that are amazing that shock

them they come from this nice warm place

and they're put in air-conditioning and

one of the first experiences they have

is somebody sticking their finger in

their mouth to clear their mouth and

then slapping to make them cry now if

that's not suffering I don't know what

is but we have this idea that oh isn't

it neat have a little baby like this I

had one of my first teachers had been a

monk for a couple of years in Sri Lanka

and he just came back to America as a

monk and somebody took him to see this

new baby

just born maybe one or two days old and

he went to look at this new baby and

they showed him the new baby and the new

baby was a little hungry and starting to

make sucking motions with the mouth and

he looked at that and he got really

revolted at the craving that occurs the

everybody can look at that in a way and

say oh the baby's hungry isn't that neat

but the baby is suffering at that time

and the baby has very strong desires at

that time and they're not able to see

this

if those desires aren't met they suffer

a lot and they cry a lot they do all

kinds of things because they don't

understand what's happening to

so being reborn in the womb is it's

better not to be it's better to work in

this lifetime so that you can overcome

the craving and overcome the clinging

and have a - pure that's free from

suffering of all different kinds and the

way that you get that kind of mind is by

realizing and experiencing dependent

origination that's the way that you

overcome all of these kinds of problems

of being reborn again

how can I say a different aspect of the

rounds of existence and it starts

talking a little bit about Concepcion

Concepcion in the womb what it takes to

have that conception there has to be

three things there has to be a the the

woman has to be in the right season it

has to be a man and there has to be a

consciousness that enters the in one of

the commentaries this is called the

dispeller of delusion it talks about the

unsatisfactoriness of being in the womb

and a lot of people have this idea that

it's such a great thing but I wanted to

read this to you just to give you an

idea of the kind of suffering that

occurs now meaning suffering and birth

should be understood for this birth is

not itself suffering but being a basis

and arising suffering this is called

suffering rooted in descent into the

womb and so on in the mother's womb he

is not inside a blue or red or white

lotus etc but on the contrary like a

worm in rotting flesh a cesspool etc

he's born in a part of the body that's

below the receptacle of undigested food

and above the receptacle for digested

food between the belly lining in the

backbone which is very cramped quite

dark pervaded by supremely futura drafts

of impurity

it has a lot of bad odors and is

exceptionally loathsome and upon and on

being reborn there for 10 months he

undergoes excessive suffering being

cooked like a pudding in a bag by the

heat produced by the mother's womb and

steamed like a dumpling of dough with no

bending or stretching but when the

mother suddenly stumbles or moves or

sits down or gets up or turns around

there's extreme suffering that the baby

undergoes by being dragged back and

forth and jolted up and down like a kid

falling from the hands of a drunkard

like a snake by snakes young fallen from

the hands of a snake charmer also the

sharp pain he undergoes as he appears in

in the cold hell's when his mother

drinks cold water as though indulged

deluge by a rain of embers when she

swallows hot rice gruel or rice as

though coming to the torture of lye

pickling when she swallows what is salt

or acid etc so this gives you an idea of

it's not that great a thing to be reborn

in a womb and the reason that I'm

bringing it up is because there is a lot

of suffering that does occur for a baby

they hear sounds that are amazing

they hear all kinds of moans and groans

of the body they hear sounds outside of

the body and some of those sounds can be

quite nasty suddenly all of a sudden

there's this loud bang or loud music or

something like that at the time of birth

they get forced into this little area

and the body is rejecting them now

they've been in they've been in the womb

for a long time and this is a reasonably

safe place and all of a sudden that's

rejecting them and it's squeezing in on

them and it's forcing them to to lean

and that's really traumatic very heavy

when they get out of the womb their

senses are very very CUTE the slightest

little noises can be a big shock

quite often you go into the hospitals

they have bright lights the baby is

blinded by these lights because they've

been in the dark for a long time they

have sounds that are amazing that shock

them they come from this nice warm place

and they're put in air-conditioning and

one of the first experiences they have

is somebody sticking their finger in

their mouth to clear their mouth and

then slapping to make them cry now if

that's not suffering I don't know what

is but we have this idea that oh isn't

it neat have a little baby like this I

had one of my first teachers had been a

monk for a couple of years in Sri Lanka

and he just came back to America as a

monk and somebody took him to see this

new baby

just born maybe one or two days old and

he went to look at this new baby and

they showed him the new baby and the new

baby was a little hungry and starting to

make sucking motions with the mouth and

he looked at that and he got really

revolted at the craving that occurs the

everybody can look at that in a way and

say oh the baby's hungry isn't that neat

but the baby is suffering at that time

and the baby has very strong desires at

that time and they're not able to see

this

if those desires aren't met they suffer

a lot and they cry a lot they do all

kinds of things because they don't

understand what's happening to

so being reborn in the womb is it's

better not to be it's better to work in

this lifetime so that you can overcome

the craving and overcome the clinging

and have a - pure that's free from

suffering of all different kinds and the

way that you get that kind of mind is by

realizing and experiencing dependent

origination that's the way that you

overcome all of these kinds of problems

of being reborn again