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Context: Throughout this transcript, Bhante Vimalaramsi is the speaker unless otherwise indicated.

you

this is a real interesting ceuta and for

some of you that I've talked to about

reading the book called concept and

reality they use this suit as the base

for that book it happens to be probably

the best AMA book that I've ever read

really quite good outside of the secrets

of course thus have I heard on one

occasion the blessed one was living in

the sake and country of capital about

two in the Garuda's park then when it

was morning the blessed one dressed and

taking his bowl and outer rove went into

capital about 24 homes when he had

wandered for alms and kept on ova 2 and

had returned from his arms round after

his meal he went to the great wood for

the day's abiding entering the great

would he sat down at the root of a Belva

sapling for the day's abiding Dandapani

the sake while walking and wandering for

exercise also went to the great wood and

when he entered the great would he went

to the bill the sapling where the

blessed one was and exchanged greetings

with him when this courteous and amiable

talk was finished he stood at one side

leaning on his thick and asked the

blessed one what does the repos Rekluse

assert what does he proclaim friend I

assert and proclaim my teaching in such

a way that one does not quarrel with

anyone in the world with its God's its

Mara's and its Brahmas in this

generation with

loosened and brahmanas its princes and

his people in such a way that

perceptions no more underlie what are

that Brahmin who abides detached from

sensual pleasures without perplexity

shorn of worry free from craving of any

kind sounds good to me when this was set

Dandapani the sake and shook his head

wagged his tongue and raised his

eyebrows until his forehead was puckered

with three lines then he departed

leaning on his stick then when it was

evening the blessed one rose for

meditation and went to me grutas park

where he sat down on a seat made ready

for him and told the monks what had

taken place then a certain monk asked

the Blessed One venerable sir how does a

blessed one assert proclaim and proclaim

his teaching in such a way that he does

not quarrel with anyone in the world

with its God's its Mara's and its

promise in this generation with its

recluses and brahmins its princes and

its people and venerable sir how is it

that perceptions no more underlie the

Blessed One that Brahmin who abides

detached from sensual pleasures without

perplexity shorn of worry free from

craving of any kind of being monk as to

the source through which perceptions and

notions born of mental proliferation be

said a man if nothing is found there to

delight in welcome and

hold to this is the end of the

underlying tendency to lust of the

underlying tendency to aversion of the

underlying tendency to views of the

underlying tendency to doubt of the

underlying tendency to conceit of the

underlying tendency to desire for

becoming of the underlying tendency to

ignorance this is the end of resorting

to rods and weapons of quarrels brawls

disputes recrimination malicious words

and false speech here these evil

unwholesome state cease without remind

remainder that is what the Blessed One

said having said this the sublime one

rose from the seat and went into his

dwelling the reason at the bit that the

Buddha got up and left was the monks

didn't say I didn't understand all that

could you expound it a little bit more

give me a more detailed description any

time he did that the monks had sit

around and go I didn't understand that

you understand that and then they go run

to another monk and say what can you

explain when he met and they always get

chastised for doing that so then soon

after the blessed one had gone the monks

considered now friends the blessed one

had has risen from his seat and gone

into his dwelling after giving a summary

in brief without expounding the detailed

meaning oops

once the once the Buddha got up and went

into his dwelling everybody left him

alone because there were Davis that were

coming down and talking with him and he

was busy giving discourses to other

other beings now who will expound this

in detail then they considered the

venerable maha Catriona has praised by

the teacher and esteemed by his wise

companions in the holy life he is

capable of expounding the detailed

meaning suppose we went to him and asked

him the meaning of this then the monks

went to the venerable maha kochana and

exchange greetings with him when this

courteous and Aimable talk was finished

he sat down at one side and told him

what had taken place adding let the

venerable mahakasyapa mahak kochana

expounded to us the venerable maha

kochana replied friends it is though a

man needing heartwood seeking heartwood

wandering in search of heartwood thought

that heartwood should be sought for

among the branches and leaves of the

great tree standing possessed of art

would after he'd passed over the root

and the trunk so so it is with you

venerable sirs that you think I should

be asked about the meaning of this after

you passed the blessed one by when you

were face-to-face with the teacher for

knowing the blessed one knows seeing he

sees he is vision he is knowledge he is

the Dhamma

he is the Holy One he is the Sayer the

proclaimer the elucidator of meaning the

giver of the deathless the Lord of the

Dhamma the Tatar gotta that was the time

you should have asked the Blessed One

the meaning as he told you you should

have remembered it surely friend

Catriona knowing the blessed one knows

seeing he sees he is vision his

knowledge he is the Dhamma he is the

Holy One he is the Sayer the proclaimer

they elucidator of meaning the giver of

the deathless the Lord of the Dhamma the

tathagata that was the time when we

should have asked the Blessed One the

meaning as he told us so we should have

remembered it yet the venerable maha

kochana is praised by the teacher and

esteemed by his wise companions in the

holy life the venerable maha Catriona is

capable of expounding the detailed

meaning of the summary given and briefed

by the blessed one without expounding

the detailed meaning but the venerable

maha kijana but let the venerable maha

cotrona expound without finding it

troublesome then listen friends and

attend closely to what I shall say yes

friends the monks replied the venerable

maha Catriona said this friends when the

blessed one rose from his seat and went

into his dwelling after giving a summary

and brief without expounding the

detailed meaning that is monks as to the

source through which perceptions

and notions born of mental proliferation

buceta men if nothing is found there to

delight in welcome and hold to this is

the end of the underlying tendency to

lust and this is the end of resorting to

rods and weapons here these evil

unwholesome states east without

remainder I understand the detailed

meaning to be as follows dependent on

the eye and forms I consciousness arises

sound familiar the meaning of the three

is contact with contact as condition

there is feeling what one feels that one

perceives what one perceives that one

thinks about what one thinks about that

one mentally proliferates with what one

has mentally proliferated as the source

perceptions and notions born of mental

proliferation be set a man with respect

respect to the past future and present

forms cognizable by the eye okay what

that mean

what was talking about thinking concepts

coming from perception and feelings and

then proliferate the proliferation of

those so that what is a proliferation

mean that means the further development

of your ideas concepts right just said

personal habitual labor expand disease

that song I'll say it being and I it

seems habitual tendency says it better

doesn't it that's why I started using

that which I must say bhikkhu Bodhi does

not agree with and I don't care

ah so keep going so then then it sounds

like then you have more ideas and

concepts that come from your visual

tenancies then those involved past

present and future so you're actually

having ideas and concepts about the

proliferation ideas concepts and then

you have the perception you're feeling

and you know it's just so separated from

reality at that point that that's where

behind that that's and that's the nature

of the mind you start getting distracted

by it coming up and then thinking about

it oh this Rose is really beautiful yeah

I know you go oh I remember that color i

saw that color and that was on a car i

really liked that car and now you're

just off in la-la land so that's the

danger of not developing your

mindfulness not watching thinking that

your mind isn't in control in control of

what you think about don't sit that way

shot sorry this both

but you can't do any of that unless your

personal all right the concept comes up

that you perceive and then you start

getting caught in the craving and the

clinging that's the story and then the

story starts to expand expound get

bigger and then you don't even know that

you have a body anymore because your

mind gets so caught up in thinking and

that's scary when you think how much

that happens when people drive their

vehicles it's really scary that's a

distinction between reality the

perception the contact with feeling and

the the prolific ation the habitual

tendency takes over and then it becomes

a conceptual framework yeah those two a

real if well as soon as as soon as the

feeling happens I mean in this this

happens quickly do you have craving you

have cleaning and the clinging is not

only your concepts but it's your

opinions that your ideas it's the way

you see the world now you're already

away from the actual experience when you

get into your concepts and opinions then

you get really tight

for instance how many people believe in

a God now what is God God is just a word

g-o-d that's all it is but your concepts

and opinions are what you put on that

one word and then you have your belief

system take off after that but is that

the reality of the situation or are you

able to see how things arise to come to

the conclusion of an opinion you see

what I'm saying yeah so you just

yesterday so what happens as a as a

physical manifestation of seeing eye

contact I consciousness arises and if

there's craving that comes out of that

and well feeling comes up and then

craving and then clinging and so once

the story takes once once it becomes a

nice story then it becomes a concept oh

yeah and so the difference is that's the

difference that's when reality changes

to content well the reality is that

feeling is there right it's event

pleasure that's impersonal until the

craving arises and that's personal

that's the start of the personal and

then it gets big personal when when it

gets to the clinging yeah so with coupon

should be

creighton or individual tendencies or

throughout the pub the pop entre starts

with craning yeah this is the punch of

me concepts yeah yeah I have to I have

to be there and have a concept will not

say you're dissing the rent in just

wondering so after you experience Nevada

say the path of Georgian you know that

there's no personal salt but things are

so playing out the way cause ups ideas

yeah but they did the craving is not as

strong in your awareness as much

stronger our old habitual tendencies can

even be there as an are hot for instance

there was a monk that became an AA raha

confirmed by the Buddha and he went

around calling everybody lowborn okay

and people were getting real upset I

mean he was calling Brahmins lowborn he

was calling everybody lowborn and they

went to the Buddha and they said we

don't really think he's an are hot

because he's going around calling

everybody a lowborn and the Buddha said

well that's part of his old tendency

because he was a Brahmin for the last

thousand lifetimes so the that's the

difference between an era hot and

buddha because the buddha there are no

more of those tendencies but they're

still can be some even for an aura that

doesn't mean they're attached to him I

mean it was just saying words it didn't

really matter to the to the RI ok

depending on the ear and sounds

dependent on the nose and odors

dependent on the tongue and flavors

dependent on the body intangibles

dependent on mind and mind objects mind

consciousness arises the meeting of the

three is contact with contact as

condition there is feeling now some of

you in your meditation are able to

notice when contact arises and you relax

right then and when you're able to relax

right then feeling does not arise and

the feeling doesn't arise then there's

no perception there's no thoughts

there's no craving and claiming there's

no mental proliferation as any kind of

distraction ok

guys I'm just tracking it's okay if you

don't have it ya'll say what one feels

that one per seat and you remember from

the discourse last night what one

perceives that one cognizes and I don't

know why they didn't put that dead in

there yeah but that's not the same as

cadres now what one perceives that one

thinks about now this does this bhikkhu

Bodhi has taken it more from the bisutti

manga because it can't just be perceives

and then things it can't work that way

not well I said to you today that not

every thought has craving in it but it

does but it's subtle it's very very

subtle because it's I want to know and

that that is of the first part and then

there is the thinking and the thinking

is the story so yeah

and then when we're getting into what

one thinks about that one mentally

proliferate that's getting into our

habitual tendency with what one has

mentally proliferated as the source

perceptions and notions born of mental

proliferation be sediment now what are

we really talking about here yeah well I

brought up the idea of what is God and I

used to get a kick out of asking people

because I got so many different answers

it was unbelievable and I started

realizing that it's part of a mental

proliferation there's opinions concepts

ideas about what that person believed in

and then I started looking deeper at

least in it with the Christians and

Muslims they start talking about God is

always the same it's the same in the

past the same in the future the same

right now and I started realizing that

that was the deep-seated desire for

something in the universe to be

permanent

we want something that's solid that we

can say this is it and it's never

changing it's always going to be the

same but nothing was ever the same

everything is in a state of change some

things changed faster than others but

change is always part of the universe so

I want everybody here to sit still can

you do it your Bloods moving around

atoms are moving around the world's

moving around the universe is moving

around sit still how can you do that so

there's there's these concepts and ideas

that don't really meet with the true

reality of everything and that's why

concepts really are a problem because of

wars are fought over conflict concepts

so when the Buddha was talking I'm not

in conflict with anybody what was he

actually saying he said I see reality I

have seen it exactly like it is and

there's nothing is permanent and there's

nothing that's personal if you let go of

craving like he was talking about in the

book and there is no more craving how

can there be

a personal self with anything that

arises it's impossible so when he's

talking about reality he's talking about

seeing things exactly as they are

without any conflict without any opinion

without any ideas he's talking about

having the direct experience and seeing

things as they actually are without any

color of I sure would like it to be this

way so this mental proliferation leads

to a lot of strife a lot of pain a lot

of suffering how many wars are fought in

the name of religion because you don't

believe what I believe my god stronger

than your God when we see things as they

actually are we see that these little

tiny things arise and pass away

continually but there's nobody home it's

just part of a process and it's not even

your process it's just a process this is

why dependent origination is such an

important aspect of the teaching because

it's aimed at showing you that

everything is processed and there's

nobody home there's a belief that

there's somebody home

there's a desire for somebody to be home

but the truth is it's not framed it

doesn't meet with the reality of how

things work so anytime you're set with

be set with things about the past things

about the future or your opinions

concepts and ideas about what's

happening in the present moment these

are perceptions and notions born of

mental proliferation and they cause us a

lot of suffering now this kind of stuff

is extremely difficult to understand

until you start having your own direct

experience I used to get a kick out of

some of my relatives or very very strong

Christians you believe in a god no it's

a concept well they can't understand

that oh well you don't understand what

God is I pray to him every night and he

answers my prayers now this isn't the

way things work sorry you're just

working with concepts and opinions and

ideas not with the reality of how this

process works

so to try to explain that to someone

else that's not doing the practice is at

best frustrating and at worse getting

people angry at you because they don't

understand what you're saying so it's

best not to even bring it up okay when

there is the eye of form and I

consciousness it is possible to point

out the manifestation of contact when

these three come together you can see

contact

when there is the manifestation of

contact it is possible to point out the

manifestation of feeling it happens

right after contact arises but here we

go again we're going instead we're going

from the standpoint of suffering and I

like the standpoint of the cessation of

suffering that's what I'm trying to show

you when you come into the interview and

you say I say can you see feeling and

say yes what's right before that okay

but that's kind of that's concept until

you see it so how do you describe what

contact is well you can use these words

that well it's high in four min I

consciousness and these three or contact

but that's concepts when I start talking

to you individually about this feeling

arises or something arises right before

that it's a little kind of vibration

kind of it's hard to put into words okay

that gives you the direction to point

out so you can see it for yourself and

right before contact what is there well

there's another little thing it's a

different kind of vibration it's not

quite the same but you'll be able to see

it and you'll be able to see mine you

don't really see the Sixth Sense basis

that's just more it's kind of like

concept to get you to understand

what mentality and materiality actually

are okay you don't really see the six

centers but you do see the mentality and

materiality and you can see it come up

and you'll know that those two are

together they kind of arise at the same

time but it's a there's a different kind

of feeling to it as a different way of

seeing and then what happens right

before that see when you start working

backwards what you're doing is if you

see mentality materiality arrives and

you relax into that let it go then there

is no contact there is no feeling there

is no craving there is no clinging there

is no habitual tendency there is no

birth of action there is no sorrow

lamentation pain grief or despair so

look at all this suffering that doesn't

happen isn't that what cessation is all

about its being able to sharpen up your

mindfulness so to such a degree that

you'll be able to see these little tiny

bumps that start arising and as soon as

you recognize it relax back away doesn't

have anything to do with you it's not

yours you don't ask any of the stuff to

come up it comes up because the

conditions are right for it to come up

so that is every time you do that every

time you let go of one of these links

that is the cessation of suffering and

there's relief in that and there's more

clarity in your mind after you're able

to do that that doesn't mean that that

link won't pop up again and will because

conditions are right for it to pop up

but as you continually relax into that

before volume you go oh there's

something before that there's

consciousness consciousness is tiny

little thing and it's kind of like a

ball of spaghetti that's all okay and if

you can kind of describe that to me some

people say it's it's kind of a moving

energy I mean I did all kinds of

descriptions with this stuff but I like

to use the idea of a ball of spaghetti

that's underwater okay you back off let

it be it'll just dissolve by itself as

you get familiar with looking at it that

way how did that arise what happened

right before that well these strands of

spaghetti come out of nowhere and they

start coming up and then they start

getting mixed up and all of a sudden

that consciousness is there and if your

mindfulness isn't sharp enough that

conscious

starts to get bigger and all of a sudden

that turns into mentality and

materiality and contact and feeling and

all of these other things it depends on

your mindfulness at the time your

mindfulness is not always going to be

razor-sharp where don't you a shooter

said that but it's a matter of

developing it's a matter of practice of

seeing and your interest in our stuff

does work so it's it's a real

interesting phenomena to see all of

these different little things and yeah

it actually is kind of like that but

everything that I described to you with

my concepts and my mental proliferation

is not even close to the actual

experience it's like it it's a hundred

and eighty out would you say it happens

differently for different people or they

just it's all saying but it's all

explained different it's explained

differently and that's that therein lies

the problem because then you have to be

the translator to try to say well as if

is that what it really looked like

not really well maybe it's hard to when

you start getting into these subtler

states it's real hard to describe and

then you describe it one way and you

describe it another way and you describe

it another way and I have to sit there

and go or they all take talking about

the same thing or not well what happened

right did right after that what happened

after that then I can get an idea of it

he was right leg yeah but it gets really

subtle and it's not easy to do to be

able to show people all of the lengths

of dependent origination and how they

work and a lot of this depends on the

intelligence of the individual some

people they don't even have to they can

stay at feeling and all of a sudden they

understand in it they get into the

cessation of perception feeling in

consciousness other people they've got

to work and work and work and get down

all of the finest little detailed things

doesn't mean you won't attain nirvana it

just means you have to work a little bit

harder and it has a lot to do with your

past experience I mean your past

lifetimes experience of doing the

meditation if you have had many

lifetimes of doing meditation when you

get to this lifetime you'll naturally

understand things a little bit more

easily even though you were doing one

point in concentration before there is

no problem there was a lot of a lot of

people during

time at the one instance the Buddha

decide to give Adama talked to 1200

monks they were ascetics and they had

all been practicing one pointed

concentration so he sat down and he

started expected explaining about

everything is burning what's burning

your eye is burning your eye contact is

burning your eye feeling is burning

craving is burning he went through the

whole list of things and because he was

showing them how to relax how to back

off and just see it the way it actually

was at the end of the discourse there

was 1200 are hot but their understanding

was very close and they developed their

concentration all they had to do is add

this little extra step of pink and they

got it I mean that's just hearing one

discourse that's pretty amazing so even

though somebody can spend a long time

doing one pointed concentration that

doesn't mean that they can't attain

Nibhana in this lifetime if they add

this little tiny extra step of relax

they'll start to see how all of these

things come together and how all of

these things start to intertwine so the

kind of practice they did before it was

absorption concentration is not a waste

of time you learn your disc your

discipline your mind has reasonably

alert because you you

can keep it on one thing without having

it move around you add that extra step

of relax into it now you there letting

go the craving that they didn't even see

before and when you let go of the

craving that is the cessation of

suffering so a lot of people doing a lot

of different kinds of meditation they

come to me and they say I want to learn

what you're doing and what they wind up

saying is you know I've gone deeper

faster than I ever dreamed possible

because of that extra step of relaxing

and being able to see things without

craving coloring it and what happens is

if they continue doing that they start

seeing the links of dependent

origination and they can see that fairly

easy and it starts to make real good

sense this is how this process works

this process everything about it this is

how it works so this is learning how to

let go of the mental proliferation of

opinions concepts ideas letting go of

those those things that well I know this

is right well let it go and see how this

craving arises let go of that opinion

because the opinion can slow you down

the opinion can stop you from you can

get real close to

the bottom but if you have a your

opinion of this is a way it's supposed

to work then that stops can't go any

deeper that's what sorry butta was

experiencing he had one question he

could see all of the links of dependent

origination he understood all of the

these stages of meditation intimately

but he still hadn't become an are hot he

really knew it then he's Fanning the

Buddha one day and the Buddha's giving a

dama talk and a sari puter realized he's

not even attached to the Dhamma he's not

attached to the way things actually are

Wow he became Inara hot right then right

there bhante isn't there a difference

though between having an opinion and

having an attachment to opinion you have

an opinion thing so this is what I think

right now but when I get new information

having an open mind not attached to that

opinion well but the see the thing is

when you have your direct experience of

right before feeling there's contact now

other people would say you have an

opinion that that's the way it works but

because of your direct experience it's

not an opinion it's a reality opinions

to me opinions are the mental

proliferation and thinking things

through but when you're talking about

the reality all of your thoughts just

don't

do it but you know how it works you see

what I'm trying to get at nope oh he saw

the things but he didn't have the names

for them was I'm saying so knowledge is

really important in this clear

definitions very personally Stefan

itions of it to attempt to just start to

try to see this without these

definitions we work very well for a

person to be able to but that it

happened with him I mean we're talking

about it he saw the pieces but he didn't

know what he saw and he saw the Nicene

that he could sit there and count them

and then when he was taught what they

were he went holy mackerel that's what

happens I mean he had been to five

teachers were around the world trying to

find out what had happened to them Wow

but he had seen them okay very clearly i

was i was eyewitnesses who came to us

for two weeks i think every day it was

the two of them you know talking about

in a question and finding out what would

happen here seeing when he tied him

dependent origination you should have

seen his face when he gave him these

really simple definitions that he just

worked with it and oh my gosh I never

saw anything like that but he had no

knowledge to work with any had that

experience but it was of no use to him

understand that because he did what

happened it was of years to any you

can't beat an that because it would not

break any precepts le wait for any

reason purposefully he would not break a

preset could explain why he just said no

I I won't do that

he's I said do you ever take a sip of

beer and he said no well aren't you

curious what it tastes like no

absolutely not i don't i don't want that

it's really kind is it really does work

like that you won't break a precept not

for any reason and he wouldn't and I

questioned him quite a bit on that

because that was giving me the clues as

to what his experience really was and I

talked about the impersonal nature of

things and he had me grasp that yeah

everything is like that so then pulled

out the books that started going to him

but getting back to opinions the

opinions are still concepts and what I'm

what I'm referring to right now here is

the difference between a concept and

reality they're not they're not the same

thing all right what would be an opinion

an opinion based on reality and opinion

based on it's not an opinion if it's

based if its unreality it's not an

opinion it's a fact it's a revelation

it's a fact it's a nice ok but

facts are impermanent also yes they're

so fast no is there really no fact yes

that's a fact of fact is if you relax

feeling craving one right that's not an

opinion and it's trying to describe

something with concepts that kind of

goes beyond concepts because you have to

see it to really know that this is a

fact I see what you're saying there but

what my question was was that if you

have an opinion and you're not attached

to it that is the unplugging right there

where he won't suffer from it kind of

okay ball to Josh matters and yea is my

customers likey I mean what he was ah

well that started 10 pinion

but he was referring to when he was

talking about having the opinion at that

level was it's like if if you're doing

your meditation you have an opinion

about even if indeed if you have an

opinion about how it's supposed to go or

what you should see or how does it feel

like her if you have anything at all

it's oh that's not what I'm talking

about an opinion would be like of course

no I can't say there's somebody says

well do you believe there is no oh no I

don't have that I'm not attached to that

opinion how about to say an opinion I

think well that's what yeah okay we use

that we can use that it's okay is there

a god my opinion would be no and but

then let's say somebody came by with

more information and I'm not attached to

that osea saying maybe there is so

that's what I'm saying there's no

suffering and having that actual opinion

until you're attached to it and

insisting that is reality the reality

right but if you back up to do in it

back up to do is wait wait wait wait we

learn opinions are part of a mental

proliferation okay and all mental

proliferation has a little bit of

creating and the cleaning and what I'm

trying to say especially with the suta

is you have to have the direct

experience and it's not an opinion when

I see this Cup that cup is there okay

that's not an opinion that's right there

but when you start seeing things as they

actually are is going much deeper so

that you can let go of your concepts and

say okay that happened it happened this

way but when you come back out of that

and you try to describe that to somebody

else you can get into opinion did that

help yeah oh yeah that's kind of like

what I was saying it was you know when

somebody else had said trying to

describe your experience and meditation

where you are in this process that

you're getting several different ideas

concepts opinions of what is actually

happening yeah and there does take some

deciphering with that right there's also

a cobbler's also something very similar

in some of the sort of viewing community

where the mind perceives something and

that comes along and then places an idea

of what that is and it's called an

analytical overlay so I may be looking

at the cup they might see a white

cylinder that's that is so high has

these shapes then but then identifying

that as a cook would be the analytical

really and where the pure perception

would be just seeing the hard

cylindrical shape here that is here

again because you're getting into what

is the definition of perception Oh

excited experience when I was walking

where I should do this sometime that

close my eyes because I just walking

straight look at me dangerous but I had

an experience where I I opened them and

you know things a little blurry and then

forms come into a shape a recognizable

shape so I saw like a ripped up tire and

I belies that kind of you know came to

focus then there was an incorrect

perception of what it was you know I

thought it was a little animal you know

and then there was like a fear of animal

would happen when you saw it was there

was color and form and I consciousness

arose eye contact there was feeling

perception consciousness is already

there and cognition there was a little

tightening and then there was some

mental proliferation okay whether it's

accurate or not

well I like a question of what it was

and then getting into the library of

what could this being pulled out from it

your perception of it is based on your

personal librarian like fun to be told

you along with you know perceptions

memories your memories library yeah

jaicko I couldn't figure out where the

naming and then feeling but it when the

feeling came up it was either pleasant

unpleasant or neutral yeah it was

unpleasant and then during the craving

is I don't like it and then there's some

proliferation that happens shut up but I

really strongly suggest you don't walk

with your eyes closed because there are

beasties around here that object to

being stepped on and they have they have

a tendency to come back in what I'm

saying yes would you say that therefore

it's all comes back to our tenon aceh

because opinions and ideas or craving

Inklings I yep I asked reality in fact

and cup for instance is no I fact right

because cup is lying in perception just

a period that's not I eyes not their

direct perception and crunch this

awareness it doesn't happen until

craving what right okay so opinions like

ideas craving clinging hi

so the gold is gonna be going now in

this case wasn't the feeling based on

perception nor were they together

billion perception what you feel that

you can proceed the perception is

pleasant unpleasant neutral and then

cognition perception is the recognition

and name a navy yeah and there's memory

involved in it because if you seen this

before that cup the word cup comes up

into might recognizing instead of

cognized all right okay feeling you know

meet me the feeling comes out it so you

saw and did you see that they stopped

everything off of it so it'll be a

realization too well it is a cessation

of suffering it's a cessation because

your mind is clear your mind is bright

and pure that is the cessation

tell me tell me one thing that's

permanent is the managing cessation not

I mean sometimes if I want to eat

something then I can society goes away

and sometimes it goes to me but next day

can come back again of Courtney that's

what happens with the hindrances until

you start getting into your sainthood

they should have seen the look she gave

me so what it's not a real well you

gotta it is a kind of realization but

it's the kind that you need to see a few

thousand your hundred thousand million

unless you happen to be one of those

monks that the Buddha talk to ya the

interesting suit Desmond brings up a lot

of stuff now I gotta find out where he

was oh you were in 17 only did the high

okay when there is the manifestation of

contact it is possible to point use me

to point out the manifestation of

feeling it's possible to see it that way

17 you and Doug when there is the

manifestation of feeling it is possible

to point out the manifestation of

perception it's possible to see that

perception I like it I don't like it

when there's a manifestation of

perception it is possible to point out

the manifestation of craving and

clinging and that leads to thinking when

there is a manifestation of thinking it

is possible to point out the

manifestation of beset meant by

perceptions and notions born of mental

proliferation this is why I have an idea

of the way this work and you have an

idea and it's different and then we

start arguing with each other because of

our own personal perceptions and notions

because of the way we think and see now

when you let go of that then you're not

ever gonna fight with anybody that's

what the Buddha just got through saying

in it he said I don't fight with anyone

or anything in this world yeah because

he saw exactly how it

worked he saw the reality and he saw

that everything other than that is

papycha it is concept yes he doesn't

fight with anyone but he doesn't

admonish people he's not doing it

because he wants to he does it because

it's a benefit to other people to their

seats it says like that farmer that went

and bought the mule and he couldn't make

the mule do anything so I took it took

it back guy he bought it from said oh he

works all over the place I'll show you

how to get him to work so it goes and

gets a two-by-four he smacks him in the

head I'm the guy that bought him some

what did you do that for and his former

owner said well I had to get his

attention first not going to do anything

you want that's what admonishing is when

there is the air sound and ear

consciousness when there is the nose

odor in those consciousness when there

is the tongue flavoring tongue

consciousness when there is the body

tangible and body consciousness when

there is might might object and mind

consciousness it is possible to point

out the manifestation of beset meant be

sentiment what is that

you know okay you're dead and my horse

means means being mindful now tell me

something that I don't know plagued by

it oh boy grandpa's right upset okay I

like that obsessed by perceptions and

notions born of mental proliferation

that works well thank you when there is

no I no form no I consciousness it is

impossible to point out the

manifestation of contact now it says

these three things but if one of them

doesn't arise if there is no I there

could be forms but there can't be any I

consciousness because it's dependent on

those other two things in order for that

to arise so it's impossible to have

contact if those things are three things

aren't there when there's no

manifestation of contact it is

impossible to point out the

manifestation of feeling so what was I

telling you and the interviews when

feeling arises and you notice there's

something right before then if you relax

into that let it be no feeling arises

and if no feeling horizons no craving

arises no craving no clinging no

claiming know a bitch'll tendency no I

mitchelton and z no birth no birth no

sorrow pain and all the rest haha

well for that for that series of things

yes and you only have to experience that

a few thousand or hundred thousand types

or million 10 million item depends on it

all depends on how intelligent your mind

is to grasp it that's what the the

insights are all about okay because you

see it and you might say have seen it

for many times and then all of a sudden

you go wow that really is true that's

what the insights are all about

recognizing these different links and

North yeah then nobody can ever change

your opinion of whether that's really

true or not

when there's no manifestation of feeling

it is impossible to point out the

manifestation of perception when there's

no manifestation of perception it is

impossible to point out the

manifestation of craving clinging and

thinking when there's no manifestation

of thinking or craving and clinging and

thinking it is impossible to point out

the manifestation of what was it

obsession obsession by perceptions and

notions born of mental proliferation

when there's no ear sound or hear

consciousness when there's no nose odor

or nose consciousness when there's no

tongue flavor come consciousness when

there's no body tangible and no tangible

and no body consciousness when there's

no mind no mind object and no mind

consciousness it is impossible to point

out the manifestation of obsession by

perceptions and notions born of mental

proliferation friends when the Blessed

One rose from the season went into his

dwelling after giving a summary in brief

without expounding the detailed meaning

that is once as to the source through

which perceptions and notions born of

mental proliferation be said of him

if nothing is found there too delighted

welcome and hold to this is the end of

the underlying tendency to lust of the

underlying tendency to aversion of the

underlying tendency to views of the

underlying tendency to doubt of the

underlying tendency to conceit of the

underlying tendency to desire for

becoming of the underlying tendency to

ignorance that's nice this is the end of

resorting to some tours and weapons of

quarrels brawls disputes recrimination

malicious words and false beach here

these evil unwholesome state seats

without remainder I understand the

detailed meaning of this summary to be

thus now friends if you wish go to the

blessed one and ask him the meaning of

this as the blessed one explains it to

you you should remember it then the

monks having delighted and rejoiced in

the venerable maha code words rose from

their seats and went to the blessed one

he must have been out of his his booty

after paying homage to him they sat down

at one side and told the Blessed One all

that had taken place after he had left

adding then venerable sir we went to the

venerable maha Catriona and ask him

about the meaning the venerable maha

Catriona expounded the meaning to us

with these terms statements and phrases

maha Katrina is wise monks

Makka maha Katrina has great wisdom if

you had asked me the meaning of this I

would have explained it to you in the

same way that maha Katrina has explained

it such as the meaning of this and you

should remember it when this was said

the venerable Ananda said to the blessed

one venerable sir just as if a man

exhausted by hunger and weakness came

upon a honey ball whatever wherever he

would taste it he would find a sweet

delectable flavor so two venerable sir

any able able bodied monk wherever he

scrutinised with wisdom the meaning of

the discourse on the Dhamma would find

satisfaction and confidence of my

venerable sir what is the name of the

discourse on this discourse on dama as

to that Ananda you may remember this

discourse on the Dhamma as the honey

ball honey bald discourse that is what

the Blessed One said the venerable

Ananda was satisfied and delighted in

the Blessed ones words

and I really do highly recommend that at

some point you read concept and reality

that that monk has a beautiful way of

expanding mature samaritan may suffering

one must be suffering free and appear

struck peerless being made agreement yet

all great and may all beings find relief

may all be murdered that we wrestle fire

for the acquisition of all kinds of

happiness may be examining recent earth

is an agatha mighty power shake has

merit of ours

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