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Context: Throughout this transcript, Bhante Vimalaramsi is the speaker unless otherwise indicated.

that is craving for sensual pleasures

craving for being and craving for

non-being this is called the origin of

identity by the blessed one lady

cessation of identity cessation of

identity is said what is called the

cessation of identity by the Blessed One

Frank Osaka

it is the remainder as fading away and

cessation the giving up relinquishing

let it go and rejecting of that same

craving what does that mean they

practiced six is six ours although they

didn't call it that then they practice

right effort that's how you get rid of

grains so there is saying an unwholesome

state letting go of that unwholesome

state and relaxing smiling and bringing

up that wholesome state and keeping that

wholesome state going

this is called the cessation of identity

by the Blessed one lady the way leading

to the cessation of identity the way

leading to the cessation of identity is

that

staring tickle with it this time you

view what is called the way leading to

the cessation of identity by the blessed

one friend Visakha it is just this navel

Noble Eightfold Path now when we start

talking about the Eightfold Path it's

right view right the right thought right

speech right action Right Livelihood and

so on

always with right the pali word for

right is tama

but there's other definitions of sama

too and one of them can be harmonious so

I pick harmonious because if it's right

then there's wrong and then everything

is black and white but as we know in

life not everything is black and white

they're shades of grey so when we call

harmonious when you're in harmony with

what you're doing everything flows along

very easily there's there's no effort so

I use and I I tend to change all of the

Eightfold Path a little bit instead of

calling it right view I call it

harmonious perspective your harmonious

perspective is the perspective of

everything that arises is part of an

impersonal process

when they're out of harmony with your

perspective that means that you're

taking whatever arises personally and

that causes your mind to get tight and

you start coming up with an awful lot

more clean stories opinions concepts

ideas and identifying with all of those

as yours when anger arises whose anger

is it I met I don't like this I don't

want it to be that way when you practice

smiling and develop a sense of humor

about yourself then you can laugh at

being caught by the anger and it goes

from being I met and I don't like it -

it's only anger and it's very easy to

let it go that's why this is a

harmonious perspective because it keeps

harmony with everything around you and

in you now the next of the Eightfold

Path is called right thought I call it

harmonious imagery you hold an image of

the way you want things to be you hold

an image with your thoughts you hold and

you hold images of the way you think the

world is around you for instance I have

a friend back in Missouri she is always

broke and she holds the idea that she

can

ever get any money she's holding that

image in her mind that's not a

harmonious image because there is the I

am that attached hood the harmonious

image would be uplifting it would have a

lot of positivity so the more you hold

these positive images of what's

happening in the present moment the

easier the present moment is to be in

you're not leaning out of the present

moment you're accepting the present

moment as it is and you're holding a

positive image you get caught in a

traffic jam I hate being in a traffic

jam see what kind of image that is now

being in a traffic jam is good or bad

depending on your perspective that's

right if you look at being in a traffic

jam as an opportunity to radiate loving

kindness to other people around you then

it's not a bad thing at all right it's a

very good thing

the thing with the image is we have the

choice to make with what we do with our

mind in the present moment we can fall

back in our old habitual ways of acting

life you always act when you get caught

in a traffic jam

bur I hate this traffic light no I

wonder what the problem is why can't we

be moving those kind of images that

you're holding don't lead to your

happiness and well-being or the

happiness of other people around you

those kind of images that you're holding

lead to your suffering and lead to

suffering in the future because you

develop that habit every time you get in

a traffic jam it's going to happen in

the same way so you have the choice to

make either act and react the way you

always act when you get caught in a

traffic jam or not you can respond by

seeing the dislike start to arise and

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and essentially already have a smile in

your mind you might as well put a smile

on your face and start radiating

loving-kindness to everybody around you

because you know what their mind is

doing their mind is having that same

kind of process happening so you have

the opportunity to start directing your

mind in a positive in a positive ways by

responding with the six artists and

holding a positive image for people

around you that will lead to their

happiness and well-being too you'll

start seeing other people in the cars

when you smile at up they start smiling

back and they're complete strangers you

don't know them when you're walking in a

place where there's a lot of people if

you have a little smile on your face you

start seeing other people smile back and

they're almost shocked because they see

a smiling face so the more you smile the

more you affect the world around you in

a positive way that means holding that

image of the smile in your heart okay

the next part of the Eightfold Path is

called right speech and I've never liked

this interpretation so I've called this

harmonious communication now this

harmonious communication is not only

with other people but it's with yourself

who do you spend more time talking to

than anybody else yourself what kind of

thoughts and what kind of speech do you

give yourself the more you communicate

with yourself in an uplifted happy way

the easier it is to see when your mind

gets caught by something and starts to

get pulled down and then it's easy to

notice that how the six R's work again

so that you can start letting go of the

critical thoughts I think just about

everybody is very very

and hard on themselves they're harder on

themselves than you are on anybody else

because we expect perfection all the

time and when we don't have that then

that's a good opportunity to start

communicating with ourselves about how

bad we are and how we made this mistake

and how we should be better than we are

the shoulds so the more we start

communicating in a kind and loving way

to ourselves about ourselves the easier

it is to see the good and kind way to

communicate with other people the next

one is called right action and I again

change that a little bit and I call it

harmonious movement the harmonious

movement is watching your mind and not

snapping your mind around from one thing

to another now this is also has to do

with physical actions and movements and

being aware of things around you and how

to take care of the things around you

then we have Right Livelihood I've

always loved this in the suitors

themselves it says write livelihood

means that you don't kill living beings

if you don't sell poisons you don't sell

firearms what does that got to do with

meditation so I call this harmonious

lifestyle

what is a harmonious lifestyle what do

you put in front of your mind for

instance is there was one lady that came

to me and she said she was having

horrible dreams really scary dreams so I

asked her why and she said I don't know

but it might have to do with these

horror movies that I go to see hmm and I

said well don't do that anymore and she

said but I like them and I said then

don't come to me and complain about bad

dreams what kind of lifestyle was she

living she was living a lifestyle that

caused unwholesomeness and fear to arise

in her

the more we can live a lifestyle that's

in balance and we can start creating

being in harmony with what we're doing

in the present moment the easier life

becomes now one of the things about

harmonious lifestyle is I had one

student that came and she complained to

me about the state of the world and I

said do you read the newspaper and she

says well I read three of them every day

and I said stop don't do that there's

nothing in the newspaper that's

uplifting you never read things about

people that do good things and make

other people

happy you always read about death and

corruption and all the political stuff

that makes you angry so don't you don't

need to read the newspaper well how am I

going to be informed

any major thing that happens you will

find out about it because other people

will tell you about it

I don't read the newspaper except the

sports page whenever I get around it but

that doesn't count back in 2004 right

after Christmas there was a tsunami that

came and then just wiped out a whole

bunch of people and there was all kinds

of destruction I heard about it within

an hour after it happened somebody wrote

me an email and they told me all about

the destruction of the tsunami that

happened in Sri Lanka and how terrible

it was and all of this sort of thing I

didn't need to read the newspaper to

find out about it

and watching the news on TV even

watching TV is is somewhat questionable

because TV has a lot of negativity and

they there it's real amazing I was in

Asia for 12 years and then I came back

to America in that 12 years that I was

gone all of the sudden the radio and the

tell

vision very starting to use foul

language regularly we don't need to

listen to that sort of thing the less

Powell language that's used around us

the better more uplifted your mind

becomes so right life lifestyle has to

do with the kind of books you read the

kind of things you put in front of your

mind oh there's there's one other part

that was always part of the Right

Livelihood and that was not to traffic

in buying and selling slaves what does

that have to do with us here no not much

the next part of the Eightfold Path is

right effort and we've already talked

about right effort seeing an unwholesome

state letting go of that unwholesome

state and relaxing smiling and bringing

up your object of meditation and staying

with your object of meditation that's

real simple to say

it takes practice the next part of the

Eightfold Path is is called right

mindfulness harmonious observation and

the last part of the full path is called

right concentration I never use the word

concentration because the word

concentration is misunderstood any time

you hear the word concentration everyone

assumes that it's one point it kind of

concentration where you start reading a

book and you're so involved in the book

and somebody walks up to you and they

say something to you and you don't hear

them because you're so concentrated in

what you're reading so what I call read

concentration is harmonious

collectiveness a mind that's collected

is very alert a mind that's collected is

very calm and it can be still just like

one pointed concentration is still but

it leads to a different end result when

you're practicing meditation one point

are the right concentration in the text

always say that it's the for dramas

that's what right concentration is it

doesn't ever mention anything about

neighborhood concentration or

moment-to-moment concentration those are

added later in commentaries but they

don't agree with the foreign jhanas

themselves the fourth jhana has four

different parts to it sometimes people

call it the eighth dramas and there is

another state after the jhanas this

called the cessation of

and feeling and some people say that

that's the ninth drama but and you can

you can talk about it that way but it's

a little bit confusing the cessation of

perception and feeling because there is

no perception and there is no feeling is

a state right beyond the eighth drama

but it's not a drama itself all of the

drama's when you start talking about

jhana they are levels of your

understanding when you get to the

cessation of perception and feeling

because there's no perception there's no

feeling there's no understanding at that

time so it's not really as correct as it

could be to call that the ninth job

lady is that clinging the same as as

these five aggregates affected by

cleaning or is the clinging something

apart from the five aggregates affected

by cleaning friend Asaka that clinging

is neither the same as the five

aggregates affected by clinging nor is

clinging something apart from the five

aggregates affected by clinging it is

the desire the lust in regard to the

five aggregates affected by clinging

that is the clinging there did you catch

that on it again mm-hm

okay we'll go through the whole thing is

that clinging the same clinging as these

five aggregates affected by clinging or

is the clinging apart from the five

aggregates affected by clinging friend

Visakha that clinging is neither the

same as these five aggregates affected

by clinging nor is clinging something

apart from the five aggregates affected

by clinging it is the desire and lust in

regard to the five aggregates affected

by clinging that is the clinging there

got it

I'm seeing a lot of great faces so it's

pointing to dependent origination it's

pointing to craving craving right yes

it's pointing so it's the craving set

the craving aspect of cleaning needs

were stationary it's kind of misleading

it gets started with six clean the

Steven craving is the process to clean

yeah

one of the things that I've done in

others who does when I run across the

statement affected by cleaning the five

aggregates affected by cleaning is I

always stop and I say it may or may not

be affected by cleaning depending on how

sharp your six hours are what the six

artist well how sharp your awareness is

you have the choice of tickling or not

to claim always that's the volition in

Buddhism young when that comes up dating

a Franco nice clean you sure but if you

have a definition of it can be after you

recognize or it can be before I eat

Chinese minutes

addition would be the next step that

would be your habitual tendency with

that that's yeah we are stuck

depending on the sharpness yeah until we

learn to be able to observe how I'm

doing the clinging yes easy it takes

practice

yeah it takes practice to be able to do

it yeah but as you go deeper in your

meditation it does get easier so I

understand why you're I'm great so the

aggregates and the cleaning are not

separate them if you may or may not

claim to plenty of the aggregates

because the average person doesn't see

that as may or may not they see it as

cleaning they see it as their concepts

of or their their story about yeah the

average person doesn't have any

definition of craving doesn't have any

doesn't know that's the condition for

cleaning doesn't know what habitual

tendency is so without those definitions

you're totally caught in this it's it's

so fast to those three so when you when

she sent to the sukkah it's neither

that clinging is neither the same as the

five aggregates affected by clinging nor

is clinging something apart from the

five aggregates affected by things

but that's really good because see

that's fuel for talking to Vic and rody

about this again because we brought up

that the question is respected by

clinging and he went hmm

you know but we had to find other texts

that pointed to that you know that

there's a choice and I know it shouldn't

translation is pinging aggregates right

that's the other choice for this

translation is is really not very good

any question okay lady how does identity

view come to be here friend Visakha an

untaught ordinary person who has no

regard for the noble ones and is

unskilled and not disciplined in their

dhamma

who has no regard for true men and as an

unskilled and undisciplined in their

dhamma regards forms as self or self as

possessed of material form or material

form as in self or self as in material

form he regards feeling itself or self

as possessed of feeling or feeling as in

self or self as in feeling he regards

percent bill self or self as possessed

by of pizzette of perception or

perception as in self or self as in

perception in regards formations as self

or self as possessed of

nations or formations as in self or self

as in formations he regards

consciousness as self or self as

possessed of consciousness or

consciousness as in self or self as in

consciousness that is how identity view

comes to be so it's always trying to

make one of the actor of whichever

aggregate it is personal you know all of

any of the different ways and miss gets

real tricky and this is how the the

Brahmans during the time of the Buddha

got caught by making everything God and

God is in the way of most people

thinking is this permanent never

changing entity

and that really goes against what the

Buddha is showing us there is nothing

that's permanent

ever we're going on about a discussion

about this

she seems to say that the Four Noble

Truths are permanent but it's not the

Four Noble Truths are always around that

they're not recognized so in that way

they're always changing you see if you

say is in them and in fact we

objectified them we make it kind of an

entity they are and that's what I also

feel a stubborn it's really done mr.

John us the John us is there an entity

but they are the same like thing as Four

Noble Truths they are approved in the

motion of the process someone has we did

not change

lady how does identity view not come to

be here friend this akka well table

noble disciple who has regard for the

noble ones and is skilled and

disciplined in their Dhamma who has

regard for true men and is skilled and

disciplined in their dollar does not

regard material for a second or

self-possessed of material form or

material form as in self or self as in

material form he does not regard feeling

as self or self as possessed or feeling

or feeling as in self or self as in

feeling he does not regard perception

and self or self as possessed of

perception or perception as in self or

self as in perception he does not regard

formations as self or self as possessed

of formations or formations as in self

or self as in formations he does not

regard consciousness as self or self as

possessed of consciousness herself as in

consciousness or self as where

consciousness as itself or self as in

consciousness excuse me that is how the

identity view does not come to be in

other words that anger gets not affected

by cleaning the Noble Eightfold Path

lady what is the Noble Eightfold Path

friend Visakha

it is just this Noble

full path that is harmonious perspective

harmonious imaging harmonious

communication harmonious movement

harmonious lifestyle harmonious practice

harmonious observation and harmonious

collectiveness lady is the Noble

Eightfold Path condition or

unconditioned bread this haka the Noble

Eightfold Path is conditioned lady are

the three aggregates include included by

the Noble Eightfold Path or is the

Eightfold Path included by the three

aggregates the three aggregates are not

included in the Eightfold Path friend

moussaka but the Noble Eightfold Path is

included by the three aggregates the

harmonious communication harmonious

movement and harmonious lifestyle these

states are included in the aggregate of

virtue harmonious practice harmonious

observation and harmonious

collectiveness these states are included

in the aggregate of collectiveness

harmonious perspective and harmonious

imaging these states are included in

aggregate of wisdom lady this is as the

section on concentration lady what is

collectiveness what is the basis of

collectiveness what is the equipment of

collectiveness what is the development

of collectiveness unification of my

friend Osaka is collectiveness the four

foundations of mindfulness are based on

are the basis of collectiveness the four

right kinds of striving are the

equipment of collectiveness the

repetition development and cultivation

of these same states is the development

of collectiveness therein so this is

rather interesting because it says the

unification of mind is collectiveness

the four foundations of mindfulness are

the basis of collectiveness which is

saying that the four foundations of

mindfulness is talking about states of

jhana

remember we did the both of the four

foundations of mindfulness a few days

back and you have to see how it was

always talking about the drama states

how does the five aggregates working -

because the five aggregates are simply

the four foundations of mindfulness no

Oh different aggregates for a lot

getting about Thursday so what what is

it what news day okay because this okay

the four foundations of mindfulness is

essentially the basis for China good but

we in previous discussions last week we

had said that the five aggregates and

the four names of Iceland let us see our

yeah this we lose an infinitely so but

then it some saying that then the five

aggregates are the basis for a China

yeah whether like letting go with the

five aggregates so the basis of Aegina

but it's not letting go because when you

look at the okay so they're they're

basically saying that they're they're

the same thing

and these four four foundations of

mindfulness they arise while you're in

your practice and that would be the the

basis for the foundations or for the

collectiveness

here cuz I always thought the Pythagoras

with the base

ignorant because that's that's affected

by cleaning that gift that I can make

let's see there that's the tricky part

if it's effective like the Ford

Foundation the skiing the film nation

for Germany if you look at the four

foundations of mindfulness mu does it

mean like if you examine the body as the

body feeling s feeling good and you see

things as they actually are that allows

you to go in John is that what she knew

from the source nothing

there's some some translations that are

changing the four foundations to save

the body in the body and the feeling in

the feeling and that is the basis for

the choiceless awareness it doesn't the

traceless awareness doesn't really work

because there is that craving with

whatever arises and there's not seeing

the craving system let it go and your

mindfulness with choiceless awareness

it doesn't develop nearly as quickly as

coming back to an object to meditation

the object meditation of your home base

so if you're just going from one thing

that arises to another thing to arises

that to another thing

Rises you're not having that you're not

practicing the six R's and you're not

coming back to your object of meditation

so you can see how it gets distracted

again okay so you never get to see the

origination that way okay formations

lady how many formations are there there

are three formations friend is sungki

the bodily formation the verbal

formation and the mental formation but

lady what is the bodily formation what

is the verbal formation what is the

mental formation in breathing and out

breathing friend Visakha are the bodily

formation thinking and examining thought

are the verbal formation perception and

feeling are the mental formation but

lady why are in breathing and out

breathing the bodily formation why are

thinking and examining thought the

verbal formation why our perception and

feeling the mental formation friend

Visakha and breathing and out breathing

or bodily these are states bound up with

the body that is why in breathing and

out breathing or bodily formations there

are other bodily formations outside of

the breath too when you start radiating

loving-kindness there is the feeling

that is that it has to have a body in

order to feel so it's not only in

breathing and out breathing first one

apply a one thinks and examines thought

and subsequently one brings out into

speech that is why thinking and

examining thought our verbal formation

perception and feeling our mental these

are states bound up with mind that is

why perception and feeling are the

mental formation the attainment of

cessation lain how does the attainment

of cessation of perception and feeling

come to be friend Visakha when a monk is

attaining the cessation of perception

and feeling it does not occur to him I

fell attain this the cessation of

perception and feeling I am attaining

the cessation of perception and feeling

or I have attained the cessation of

perception and feeling but rather is

mind is has previously developed in such

a way that it leads him to that state

lady

when a monk is attaining the cessation

of perception and feeling which date

sees in him the bodily formation verbal

formation or the mental

for me friend Osaka when a monk is

attaining the cessation of perception

and feeling first the verbal formation

ceases then the bodily formation then

the mental formation lady

how does emergence from the attainment

of the cessation of perception and

feeling come to be friend Asaka when a

monk is emerging from the attainment of

the cessation of perception and feeling

it does not occur to him

I shall emerge from the attainment of

the cessation of perception and feeling

or I am emerging from the internment of

the cessation of perception and feeling

or I have emerged from the attainment of

the cessation of perception and feeling

but rather his mind has previously been

developed in such a way that it leads to

that state

so when perception and feelings cease

that will last for a period of time not

a long period of time and last five or

ten minutes something like that and then

when the perception and feeling arise

again that is it's like you had a

chalkboard and you clean the chalkboard

off and then when the perception and

feeling come back up you see the

ignorance the formations the conscious

yes you see the mentality materiality

and all of the rest of dependent

origination and then you see how they

cease when this doesn't arise that won't

arise when that won't arise this doesn't

erect the clear understanding of seeing

dependent origination in this way it's

such a big understanding that your mind

goes oh wow

and Nevada occurs you don't your mind

doesn't really go oh wow but it's it's

that kind of an experience I mean it is

consciousness altering and that's how

many bottom occurs now if you have the

slightest bit of attachment to being

unsure being afraid that will stop this

sensation of perception and ruling from

arising so you want to make sure that

your mind is completely open and

accepting of this state it's it can be a

subtle little

to do this or not and we have to let

that and go guaranteed you'll like it on

the other side of this oh but it's gonna

change me yes it will

you're gonna have a lot more fun your

mind is going to be a lot more clear we

cannot see it seeing those anything

that's that's the importance of the

sensation of perception and giving and

you get into that seat with any of those

wave rings no no right okay have to let

go all of that stuff you down the rabbit

hole sorry that was kind of neat you

know and we usually say sometimes the

minds that of the person it's like a

little two-year-old who's just looking

around the corner to see next you know

no apprehension about what might be

there no desire to see what's there just

looking around the corner to see what's

next and if you can hold that frame of

mind and just go curiosity like it's

it's an adventure to see what this is

going to be you can you can do that

Sarah is Sarah and then where a person

could have cessation of perception and

feeling and coming out of it not see

that dependent origination

I'd never heard of it that is part of

the process of it and in seeing with

wisdom as things were destroyed wisdom

as I say in dependent origination so

there can't be even the slightest bit of

hesitation or anxiety about what's gonna

happen if I do it

there has to be just that openness of

saying let's see what happens next

there was interesting because somebody

showed up ones who apparently had the

experience but didn't know anything

about what they saw and it's funny

because I had asked him the question

about two weeks before this person

showed up to ask him what happened so

you know he could describe when when I

went to the searches and I started

reading it his eyes got real wide and he

started going oh oh yeah yeah so I mean

that's an example where it can help them

to a person but they have no idea what

this was that happened well he went

through a change and he knew he went

through a change and he started going to

a lot of teachers and they agreed he

went through a change but they couldn't

explain it

what's he meditating kind of on its own

I mean I kind of got the feeling that he

was he was done a professor at Tulane

University he was in the Buddhist

studies department so he had exposure to

a lot of different types of things you

know

he was some I can't remember what he

told us he was practicing when this

happened but it wasn't Hersh remember it

wasn't her Sh it was some kind of a

practical into death but when he saw

them he saw the things he could not get

an explanation of what this was from any

teachers until he came to Bondi and then

he explained what it was and I miss

Beryl and he was explaining it and his

eyes just really just he knew precisely

that's what this was all about and then

he stayed for her I think it was a week

or two weeks to get into what all of

this and it came together really fast

for him it's understanding I'm young man

that came to Bondi about four years ago

five years ago me believe it's that long

five or six years back he showed up in

the wintertime to talk to Bonte about

what had happened to him personally and

what he had seen and he saw the twelve

links when he came out of the station he

saw them go up and go down but he had

didn't understand he had no definitions

no training at all for a reference no

swimmers reference and so he didn't know

what it was and when Monty ended by his

experience he recognized

yet they eat together really fast when

I'm in just a few days you could

understand all this stuff came together

to him you know really clearly and he

went through a personality shift so

there can't be the slightest hesitation

for any reason at all yes well your

might your mind is going to be so much

more clear people they go first to

understand everything soon so

intellectualizing to such an extent that

the intellectualization some house for

often see experienced appearance yes

and that happens that can happen for the

first stage of enlightenment and the

second stage but not the higher areas

and that can happen through meditation -

thanks to me after after a person has a

path knowledge they still have to work

for the fruition knowledge here and when

the fruition knowledge comes then they

have a sense of what stage of

enlightenment they are experiencing and

we'll go into that at another time

and in a couple of days there I have

another suit that we'll talk about okay

lady when a monk is emerging from the

attainment of cessation of perception

and feeling which date arises first in

him the bodily formation verbal

formation or mental formation misako

when a monk is emerged from the

attainment of the cessation of

perception and feeling first the mental

formation arises then the bodily

formation than the verbal formation lady

when a monk has emerged from the

attainment of the cessation of

perception and feeling how many kinds of

contact touch him Brenda Sokka when a

monk has emerged from the attainment of

perception and filled her with cessation

of perception and feeling three kinds of

contact touch him voidness contact

cyclist assigned list contact and desire

this contact I don't want to see what be

completely said about those

the first state of consciousness to

arise on emerging from the cessation is

that of fruition attainment no that's

not right that is taken from the city

Makkah and and IV Adama both and it is

not correct there is a belief that once

you have the path knowledge now there's

there's 17 different parts of the

thought moment okay and there are seven

Juwanna moments and you attain nirvana

in one of those seven jawan of moments

and they have the belief that the next

job at a moment is the fruition and

that's just not right you wouldn't know

that you have pro ition if it happened

that fast and there are people that will

have the path knowledge for a period of

time before they get the relation

knowledge

so what he's saying here I think we have

to let it go

it says avoid myths furnace signless and

desire the desire well there's there's a

lot happening in your mind I mean there

is various consciousness and you're

aware but there's not gonna be a whole

lot of thoughts arising

I think we'll have to let that go for a

little while that doesn't feel right

research yeah it's research time okay

lady when a monk has emerged from the

attainment of the cessation of

perception and feeling to what this is

mine incline to what does it mean - what

does it tend then Masako when a monk has

emerged from the attainment of the

cessation of perception and feeling his

mind inclines to seclusion leans to

seclusion tends to seclusion for a

little while it's such a major release

of tensions and tightness --is that the

joy that arises is really strong you

will feel it in every cell in your body

there's a relief and if you happen to

attain that and you come and tell me

you've attained it and I say good now

boosts it that's the last thing you feel

like doing but if you do it there's

great lessons that you'll you'll you'll

have from 6ra and letting it go and

allowing the feeling to be there

your mind will have the opportunity to

go in deeper again and you can have the

fruition very quickly it depends on the

conditions so this this kind of

experience is what we're working for

is it attainable in this lifetime

absolutely do you have to be a month to

get it no you don't do you have to be a

monk after you get it it depends on what

happens feeling lady how many kinds of

feeling are there there are three kinds

of feeling pleasant feeling painful

feeling and neither painful nor pleasant

feeling but lady what is pleasant

feeling

what is painful feeling what is neither

painful nor pleasant feeling Brenda

Sacco

whatever is felt bodily or mentally as

Pleasant and soothing is pleasant

feeling whatever is felt bodily or

mentally as painful feeling painful and

hurry is painful feeling whatever is

felt bodily and mentally as neither

soothing nor hurting is neither painful

nor Pleasant feeling lady what is

pleasant feeling what is painful feeling

in regard to pleasant feeling what is

painful feeling and what is pleasant

feeling in regard to painful feeling

what is Pleasant feeling and what is

painful feeling in regard to neither

painful nor Pleasant feeling here friend

Lusaka pleasant feeling is pleasant when

it persists and painful when it changes

painful feeling is painful when it

persists and Pleasant when it changes

neither painful nor Pleasant feeling is

pleasant when there is knowledge of it

and painful when there is no knowledge

of it why is it

painful when there's no knowledge of

neither perception are neither pain nor

pleasant okay neither painful nor

pleasant feeling is pleasant when there

is knowledge of it and painful when

there is no knowledge of it why is it

painful when there is no knowledge of

neither painful nor pleasant pigmen

saying it's doubly something that's your

there's a difference between difference

and the difference as I am attached to

and that's what we're talking about here

that's why it would be painful if there

is no knowledge of it is that equanimity

they think it's indifference and

equanimity is not indifference it's not

it's much bigger than room okay we have

some underlying tendencies lady what

underlying does that mean that there's

allowances that's the allowance and

equanimity is the same now I didn't hear

the word allowance allowing us allow it

to be ya know crazy

okay that's what I think might be in

differences in different sing again who

that who cares okay thank you okay what

underlying tendency underlies Pleasant

feeling

what underlying tendency underlies

painful feeling what underlying tendency

underlies neither painful nor pleasant

feeling friend Visakha the underlying

tendency to lust underlies Pleasant

feeling that means the potential for

lust is there when there is pleasant

feeling the underlying tendency to

aversion underlies painful feeling

painful feeling arises the first thing

your mind wants to do get rid of it we

should have waited not have it around

for you the underlying tendency to

ignorance of underlies neither painful

nor pleasant feeling what is ignorance

or no intrusion that's the that's the

underlying tendency to a difference lady

does the underlying tendency to lust

underlie all pleasant feeling does the

underlying tendency to aversion underlie

all painful feeling there's the

underlying tendency to ignorance

underlie all painful they're all neither

painful nor pleasant feeling friend

Visakha the underlying tendency to lust

does not underlie all painful feeling

all paint pleasant feeling excuse me the

underlying tendency to aversion does not

underlie all painful feeling the

underlying and

- ignorance does not underlie all

neither painful nor pleasant little lady

what should be abandon and regard to

pleasant feeling what should be

abandoned in regard to painful feeling

what should be abandoned and regard to

neither painful nor pleasant feeling

here Visakha the underlying tendency to

lust should be abandon in regard to

paint pleasant feeling the underlying

tendency to aversion should be abandoned

in regard to painful feeling the

underlying tendency to ignorance should

be abandoned in regard to neither

painful nor pleasant feeling lady does

the underlying tendency to lust have to

be abandoned in regard to all pleasant

feeling does the underlying tendency to

aversion have to be abandoned in regard

to all painful feeling does the

underlying tendency to ignorance have to

be abandoned in regard to all painful

nor pleasant feeling friend vishakha the

underlying tendency does not to lust

does not have to be abandoned and regard

to all pleasant feeling the underlying

tendency to aversion does not have to be

abandoned in regard to all painful

feeling the underlying tendency to

ignorance does not have to be a

in regard to all neither painful nor

pleasant feeling here fred Visakha quite

secluded from sensual pleasures secluded

from unwholesome states a monk

enters upon in abides in the first jhana

which is accompanied by thinking and

examining thought with joy and pleasure

and Happiness born of seclusion with

that he abandons lust and the underlying

tendency to lust does not live and does

not underlie that so hopefully not all

Pleasant feeling means that has must

arise in it when you get into a jhana at

that time there is no lust or a tendency

for lust to arrive at that time here a

month considers thus when shall I enter

upon and abide in that base that the

noble ones now enter upon and abide in

in one who thus generates a longing for

the supreme liberation brief arises and

with that longing as condition with that

he abandons aversion the underlying

tendency to aversion does not lie within

that would have edges say

and we'll do it again here a monk

considers thus when shall I enter upon

and abide in that base that the noble

ones now enter upon and abide in in one

who thus generates a longing for supreme

liberation grief arises and with that

longing as condition with that he

abandons aversion the underlying

tendency to aversion does not underlie

that it's basically saying that if you

are longing for it you can't get there

that's right desire is gonna keep you

from getting there in other words that's

where this mindset comes in where you

just the two-year-old doesn't have any

desire for anything to be around the

corner

he's just looking you know waiting

watching is that because the aversion is

the present moment to being in the

inversion is not having what you want

when you want

and doesn't that gets confirmed in 36 to

where he figured out pleasurable moments

are permitted in number 36 up to that

point with all his practices he thought

no pleasure was allowed at all as an

aesthetic none so he couldn't do this

kind of a where jhana this later jhana

because he had to he had to kind of

torture himself with what he was doing

the way they were doing everything

because when you're in the jhana your

mind is very pure and the way that it

becomes pure is by not having craving at

that time if you have a desire to keep

that jhana all of a sudden you're not in

the drama anymore and you have I am that

attached to that desire experience

Johnna experiencing pleasant evenings

the South must yes as long as there's

not the identification with them about

the craving listen understanding - it

certainly can be but that's one of the

reasons I tell people when they get into

a jhana and they experience the joy that

they six are the joy they don't try to

make the joy last longer or try to hold

on to it in any way you six are and you

allow the joy to be there and come back

to your object of meditation that's the

way to have it last longer lovingly

accepting the present moment exactly as

it is so the student comes and he goes

tomorrow and he says I'm gonna have

another session just like yesterday work

why doesn't that work and it causes

restlessness to orion's because you

start trying to it doesn't come you

start remaining out of the present

moment a little bit more trying to make

it come and all of a sudden you're

attacked by restlessness I think also

what you're doing too is you're judging

that present moment compared to what the

past was right and in that process

you're pushing from the present moment

up away and it's happening a very subtle

level so you're never really opening to

what's happening behind on yourself

yeah and that is a separation

anyway here with the abandoning of

pleasure and pain with the previous

disappearance of joy and grief Lamont

enters upon and abides in the fourth

drama which has neither pain nor

pleasure and purity of mindfulness

through the equanimity with that he

abandons ignorance and the underlying

tendency of ignorance does not underlie

that so we're talking about getting into

equanimity instead of indifference and

that then the ignorance doesn't underlie

that counterparts lady what is the

counterpart of pleasant feeling and

Visakha painful feeling is a counterpart

of pleasant feeling what is the

counterpart of pleasant feeling or

excuse me painful feeling pleasant

feeling is a counterpart of painful

feeling what is the counterpart of

neither painful nor pleasant feeling

ignorance is the counterpart of neither

painful nor pleasant feeling what is the

counterpart of ignorance true knowledge

is the counterpart of ignorance

what is the counterpart of true

knowledge deliverance is the counterpart

of true knowledge what is the

counterpart of deliverance Nevada is the

counterpart of deliverance lady what is

the counterpart of Nirvana

Brent vaisakhi you've pushed this line

of questioning too far you were not able

to grasp the limit of

questions for the holy life friend Osaka

is grounded upon the bona culminates in

Nibbana ends in nirvana

if you wish Brent Visakha go to the

Blessed One and ask him about the

meaning of this as the Blessed One

explains it to you you should remember

it then the lay follower Visakha having

delighted and rejoiced in the bikuni da

Medina's words rose from his seat and

after paying homage to him keeping him

on the right he went to the Blessed One

after paying homage to him he sat down

at one side and told the Blessed One his

entire conversation with the vicuna da

Medina when he finished speaking the

blessed one told him the bhikkhu da

Medina is wise Misaka are the bhikkhuni

da medina is why excuse me

the bhikkhuni da Medina has great wisdom

if you had asked me the meaning of this

I would have explained it to you in the

same way that the vicuna da Medina has

explained it such is its meaning and so

you should remember it that is what the

Blessed One said the lay follower Resaca

was satisfied and delighted in the

Blessed ones words that is high praise

coming from the woods and he does that

not only with Don Medina he also does it

with some monks and he says that that's

exactly the right way to say it and I

couldn't have said it any better

yeah another question

she became of the couny

but he would keep

you to be a follower but he was gonna go

on egami yeah so you could still be a

lay person being ananda gandha good so

when you were talking about going

through the attainment perception and

non perception the attainment yes you

said that one would would become a monk

maybe maybe yeah that's what I mean it

could be that you would become a nun who

got me or you would become an or out

well I seen are not thing you become a

Manu would be kind of a big booty or as

it says in the suit does you would die

within seven days because you need the

purity of the Sangha and there are there

are people that chose to die after seven

days the the buddha's father he was very

ill and he became in our hot and he said

that's enough

I don't want any

and he died as a layman he didn't take

the take off ropes but I thought there's

a problem about the Cooney's because of

the order is the advantages of becoming

an are hot because the clarity of your

mind means that there is no ignorance

ever arising in your mind again and

that's a big one you know and the

advantages of what what our hats do it

depends on their personal Bend some of

them become teachers and some of them

don't but they always wind up helping

people what is an objection not revenge

is such

keep it yeah you say there is or what so

yes definitely

aviation but you have to go through a

fruition to attend one of those states

that's right if you just said that

there's no real personality development

with the path not funny personality

development happens at fruit right

that's what at fruition

and it can happen at any time I mean you

can be washing the dishes or mowing the

lawn or doing whatever and you'll start

to feel that your mind is just going

deep and you say okay and then go sit

down for a little while and watch what's

happening and then it will will happen

by itself but the thing is you have to

really be careful

after the path knowledge to keep your

sets doors and not be attached to your

sense doors and you need to be careful

with what your mind is doing I mean

there can be a tendency for some people

to say I've already attained this I

don't care I can go out and do anything

and they can actually never have the

parishioner right because of that that

that is a problem

that talked about home you can lose the

attainment it talks about how you can

and that person still has work to do

everybody has work to do until they

become in our eye with the fruition do

you want to ask me whether I know

whether a person's we've done our are

hot or in a Nogami yeah that things

happen by itself so essentially when you

have the cessation of perception of

feeling you would have to you would have

your the path of that and then there's

the fruition of that look at each stage

of the of enlightenment process so it's

conceivable that you can have paths MSA

knowledge or Padma named it but you can

die in the process what would happen

with that hurry is there anything the

suit is hid kinda talks about if you die

fairly quickly after the attainment of

path the fruition knowledge would occur

before you died right before you died

and this this can happen fast but it's

not necessarily gonna be fast if you

like it how quick you will lose here at

temper you said as a suitor that said

you you can lose your

if it happens that you would die in the

next day you still have your stuff

stores are still being guarded I mean it

takes a while to wear that wear that

down get back to quote the way you were

so this year like does the suit is

actually have a time frame safety

between Pam you know so it could be

anywhere from four years to consent days

days or seconds it depends on your karma

at the time but you can lose a path you

can lose now at acknowledge if you

indulge in your sense pleasures and you

don't you can still break the precepts

but if you were to die the if you were

to die and you broke the precepts and

you didn't watch her sin stories that

there's no personality development until

the fruit they're suckers

you still have an indent row of the

fetters arising and if you don't take

care of that in a wholesome way then you

yourself very deeply

this is I think maybe you answered it

their fruition knowledge is just kidding

I don't I don't know what Farishta

knowledge is I guess it gets you you

have this process this attainment right

and that's all the path and you have to

have path and fruition knowledge for the

personality development to occur and the

personality development would be getting

rid of these are five fetters or ten

fetters depending on stuff you remember

sometimes they talk about the eight

kinds of individuals the eight kinds of

it's actually a kind of containment

there's not four there's eight okay so

it's bestowed upon and the soda polymer

through ition and then the socket

economy in the socket of going with

permission and then the economy with the

exhibition so there's the eight puppies

so if you were a slipper pile in this

lifetime and you die and you're born as

a human are you an excellent upon a

theory realized that you and you would

remember that experience when you're

very young in a dream

and you would know beyond any doubt that

you are

what is the sort of first step of

enlightenment and you would come back no

less or no lower than a human being and

you would you can come back as many as

seven times before you would attain our

and fair anyone you can be reborn in a

heavenly realm and attain nirvana

apparently by now from there

and we'll talk more about that in a

couple of days I'll bring out the suta

and show you where it says this okay

yeah okay let's America really wants to

be suffering free and the fear struck

fearless beat maybe we should all

breathe a sigh of relief may all be

share this merit that we have thus

acquired for the acquisition of all

kinds of happiness many beings

inhabiting space protect

you

that is craving for sensual pleasures

craving for being and craving for

non-being this is called the origin of

identity by the blessed one lady

cessation of identity cessation of

identity is said what is called the

cessation of identity by the Blessed One

Frank Osaka

it is the remainder as fading away and

cessation the giving up relinquishing

let it go and rejecting of that same

craving what does that mean they

practiced six is six ours although they

didn't call it that then they practice

right effort that's how you get rid of

grains so there is saying an unwholesome

state letting go of that unwholesome

state and relaxing smiling and bringing

up that wholesome state and keeping that

wholesome state going

this is called the cessation of identity

by the Blessed one lady the way leading

to the cessation of identity the way

leading to the cessation of identity is

that

staring tickle with it this time you

view what is called the way leading to

the cessation of identity by the blessed

one friend Visakha it is just this navel

Noble Eightfold Path now when we start

talking about the Eightfold Path it's

right view right the right thought right

speech right action Right Livelihood and

so on

always with right the pali word for

right is tama

but there's other definitions of sama

too and one of them can be harmonious so

I pick harmonious because if it's right

then there's wrong and then everything

is black and white but as we know in

life not everything is black and white

they're shades of grey so when we call

harmonious when you're in harmony with

what you're doing everything flows along

very easily there's there's no effort so

I use and I I tend to change all of the

Eightfold Path a little bit instead of

calling it right view I call it

harmonious perspective your harmonious

perspective is the perspective of

everything that arises is part of an

impersonal process

when they're out of harmony with your

perspective that means that you're

taking whatever arises personally and

that causes your mind to get tight and

you start coming up with an awful lot

more clean stories opinions concepts

ideas and identifying with all of those

as yours when anger arises whose anger

is it I met I don't like this I don't

want it to be that way when you practice

smiling and develop a sense of humor

about yourself then you can laugh at

being caught by the anger and it goes

from being I met and I don't like it -

it's only anger and it's very easy to

let it go that's why this is a

harmonious perspective because it keeps

harmony with everything around you and

in you now the next of the Eightfold

Path is called right thought I call it

harmonious imagery you hold an image of

the way you want things to be you hold

an image with your thoughts you hold and

you hold images of the way you think the

world is around you for instance I have

a friend back in Missouri she is always

broke and she holds the idea that she

can

ever get any money she's holding that

image in her mind that's not a

harmonious image because there is the I

am that attached hood the harmonious

image would be uplifting it would have a

lot of positivity so the more you hold

these positive images of what's

happening in the present moment the

easier the present moment is to be in

you're not leaning out of the present

moment you're accepting the present

moment as it is and you're holding a

positive image you get caught in a

traffic jam I hate being in a traffic

jam see what kind of image that is now

being in a traffic jam is good or bad

depending on your perspective that's

right if you look at being in a traffic

jam as an opportunity to radiate loving

kindness to other people around you then

it's not a bad thing at all right it's a

very good thing

the thing with the image is we have the

choice to make with what we do with our

mind in the present moment we can fall

back in our old habitual ways of acting

life you always act when you get caught

in a traffic jam

bur I hate this traffic light no I

wonder what the problem is why can't we

be moving those kind of images that

you're holding don't lead to your

happiness and well-being or the

happiness of other people around you

those kind of images that you're holding

lead to your suffering and lead to

suffering in the future because you

develop that habit every time you get in

a traffic jam it's going to happen in

the same way so you have the choice to

make either act and react the way you

always act when you get caught in a

traffic jam or not you can respond by

seeing the dislike start to arise and

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and essentially already have a smile in

your mind you might as well put a smile

on your face and start radiating

loving-kindness to everybody around you

because you know what their mind is

doing their mind is having that same

kind of process happening so you have

the opportunity to start directing your

mind in a positive in a positive ways by

responding with the six artists and

holding a positive image for people

around you that will lead to their

happiness and well-being too you'll

start seeing other people in the cars

when you smile at up they start smiling

back and they're complete strangers you

don't know them when you're walking in a

place where there's a lot of people if

you have a little smile on your face you

start seeing other people smile back and

they're almost shocked because they see

a smiling face so the more you smile the

more you affect the world around you in

a positive way that means holding that

image of the smile in your heart okay

the next part of the Eightfold Path is

called right speech and I've never liked

this interpretation so I've called this

harmonious communication now this

harmonious communication is not only

with other people but it's with yourself

who do you spend more time talking to

than anybody else yourself what kind of

thoughts and what kind of speech do you

give yourself the more you communicate

with yourself in an uplifted happy way

the easier it is to see when your mind

gets caught by something and starts to

get pulled down and then it's easy to

notice that how the six R's work again

so that you can start letting go of the

critical thoughts I think just about

everybody is very very

and hard on themselves they're harder on

themselves than you are on anybody else

because we expect perfection all the

time and when we don't have that then

that's a good opportunity to start

communicating with ourselves about how

bad we are and how we made this mistake

and how we should be better than we are

the shoulds so the more we start

communicating in a kind and loving way

to ourselves about ourselves the easier

it is to see the good and kind way to

communicate with other people the next

one is called right action and I again

change that a little bit and I call it

harmonious movement the harmonious

movement is watching your mind and not

snapping your mind around from one thing

to another now this is also has to do

with physical actions and movements and

being aware of things around you and how

to take care of the things around you

then we have Right Livelihood I've

always loved this in the suitors

themselves it says write livelihood

means that you don't kill living beings

if you don't sell poisons you don't sell

firearms what does that got to do with

meditation so I call this harmonious

lifestyle

what is a harmonious lifestyle what do

you put in front of your mind for

instance is there was one lady that came

to me and she said she was having

horrible dreams really scary dreams so I

asked her why and she said I don't know

but it might have to do with these

horror movies that I go to see hmm and I

said well don't do that anymore and she

said but I like them and I said then

don't come to me and complain about bad

dreams what kind of lifestyle was she

living she was living a lifestyle that

caused unwholesomeness and fear to arise

in her

the more we can live a lifestyle that's

in balance and we can start creating

being in harmony with what we're doing

in the present moment the easier life

becomes now one of the things about

harmonious lifestyle is I had one

student that came and she complained to

me about the state of the world and I

said do you read the newspaper and she

says well I read three of them every day

and I said stop don't do that there's

nothing in the newspaper that's

uplifting you never read things about

people that do good things and make

other people

happy you always read about death and

corruption and all the political stuff

that makes you angry so don't you don't

need to read the newspaper well how am I

going to be informed

any major thing that happens you will

find out about it because other people

will tell you about it

I don't read the newspaper except the

sports page whenever I get around it but

that doesn't count back in 2004 right

after Christmas there was a tsunami that

came and then just wiped out a whole

bunch of people and there was all kinds

of destruction I heard about it within

an hour after it happened somebody wrote

me an email and they told me all about

the destruction of the tsunami that

happened in Sri Lanka and how terrible

it was and all of this sort of thing I

didn't need to read the newspaper to

find out about it

and watching the news on TV even

watching TV is is somewhat questionable

because TV has a lot of negativity and

they there it's real amazing I was in

Asia for 12 years and then I came back

to America in that 12 years that I was

gone all of the sudden the radio and the

tell

vision very starting to use foul

language regularly we don't need to

listen to that sort of thing the less

Powell language that's used around us

the better more uplifted your mind

becomes so right life lifestyle has to

do with the kind of books you read the

kind of things you put in front of your

mind oh there's there's one other part

that was always part of the Right

Livelihood and that was not to traffic

in buying and selling slaves what does

that have to do with us here no not much

the next part of the Eightfold Path is

right effort and we've already talked

about right effort seeing an unwholesome

state letting go of that unwholesome

state and relaxing smiling and bringing

up your object of meditation and staying

with your object of meditation that's

real simple to say

it takes practice the next part of the

Eightfold Path is is called right

mindfulness harmonious observation and

the last part of the full path is called

right concentration I never use the word

concentration because the word

concentration is misunderstood any time

you hear the word concentration everyone

assumes that it's one point it kind of

concentration where you start reading a

book and you're so involved in the book

and somebody walks up to you and they

say something to you and you don't hear

them because you're so concentrated in

what you're reading so what I call read

concentration is harmonious

collectiveness a mind that's collected

is very alert a mind that's collected is

very calm and it can be still just like

one pointed concentration is still but

it leads to a different end result when

you're practicing meditation one point

are the right concentration in the text

always say that it's the for dramas

that's what right concentration is it

doesn't ever mention anything about

neighborhood concentration or

moment-to-moment concentration those are

added later in commentaries but they

don't agree with the foreign jhanas

themselves the fourth jhana has four

different parts to it sometimes people

call it the eighth dramas and there is

another state after the jhanas this

called the cessation of

and feeling and some people say that

that's the ninth drama but and you can

you can talk about it that way but it's

a little bit confusing the cessation of

perception and feeling because there is

no perception and there is no feeling is

a state right beyond the eighth drama

but it's not a drama itself all of the

drama's when you start talking about

jhana they are levels of your

understanding when you get to the

cessation of perception and feeling

because there's no perception there's no

feeling there's no understanding at that

time so it's not really as correct as it

could be to call that the ninth job

lady is that clinging the same as as

these five aggregates affected by

cleaning or is the clinging something

apart from the five aggregates affected

by cleaning friend Asaka that clinging

is neither the same as the five

aggregates affected by clinging nor is

clinging something apart from the five

aggregates affected by clinging it is

the desire the lust in regard to the

five aggregates affected by clinging

that is the clinging there did you catch

that on it again mm-hm

okay we'll go through the whole thing is

that clinging the same clinging as these

five aggregates affected by clinging or

is the clinging apart from the five

aggregates affected by clinging friend

Visakha that clinging is neither the

same as these five aggregates affected

by clinging nor is clinging something

apart from the five aggregates affected

by clinging it is the desire and lust in

regard to the five aggregates affected

by clinging that is the clinging there

got it

I'm seeing a lot of great faces so it's

pointing to dependent origination it's

pointing to craving craving right yes

it's pointing so it's the craving set

the craving aspect of cleaning needs

were stationary it's kind of misleading

it gets started with six clean the

Steven craving is the process to clean

yeah

one of the things that I've done in

others who does when I run across the

statement affected by cleaning the five

aggregates affected by cleaning is I

always stop and I say it may or may not

be affected by cleaning depending on how

sharp your six hours are what the six

artist well how sharp your awareness is

you have the choice of tickling or not

to claim always that's the volition in

Buddhism young when that comes up dating

a Franco nice clean you sure but if you

have a definition of it can be after you

recognize or it can be before I eat

Chinese minutes

addition would be the next step that

would be your habitual tendency with

that that's yeah we are stuck

depending on the sharpness yeah until we

learn to be able to observe how I'm

doing the clinging yes easy it takes

practice

yeah it takes practice to be able to do

it yeah but as you go deeper in your

meditation it does get easier so I

understand why you're I'm great so the

aggregates and the cleaning are not

separate them if you may or may not

claim to plenty of the aggregates

because the average person doesn't see

that as may or may not they see it as

cleaning they see it as their concepts

of or their their story about yeah the

average person doesn't have any

definition of craving doesn't have any

doesn't know that's the condition for

cleaning doesn't know what habitual

tendency is so without those definitions

you're totally caught in this it's it's

so fast to those three so when you when

she sent to the sukkah it's neither

that clinging is neither the same as the

five aggregates affected by clinging nor

is clinging something apart from the

five aggregates affected by things

but that's really good because see

that's fuel for talking to Vic and rody

about this again because we brought up

that the question is respected by

clinging and he went hmm

you know but we had to find other texts

that pointed to that you know that

there's a choice and I know it shouldn't

translation is pinging aggregates right

that's the other choice for this

translation is is really not very good

any question okay lady how does identity

view come to be here friend Visakha an

untaught ordinary person who has no

regard for the noble ones and is

unskilled and not disciplined in their

dhamma

who has no regard for true men and as an

unskilled and undisciplined in their

dhamma regards forms as self or self as

possessed of material form or material

form as in self or self as in material

form he regards feeling itself or self

as possessed of feeling or feeling as in

self or self as in feeling he regards

percent bill self or self as possessed

by of pizzette of perception or

perception as in self or self as in

perception in regards formations as self

or self as possessed of

nations or formations as in self or self

as in formations he regards

consciousness as self or self as

possessed of consciousness or

consciousness as in self or self as in

consciousness that is how identity view

comes to be so it's always trying to

make one of the actor of whichever

aggregate it is personal you know all of

any of the different ways and miss gets

real tricky and this is how the the

Brahmans during the time of the Buddha

got caught by making everything God and

God is in the way of most people

thinking is this permanent never

changing entity

and that really goes against what the

Buddha is showing us there is nothing

that's permanent

ever we're going on about a discussion

about this

she seems to say that the Four Noble

Truths are permanent but it's not the

Four Noble Truths are always around that

they're not recognized so in that way

they're always changing you see if you

say is in them and in fact we

objectified them we make it kind of an

entity they are and that's what I also

feel a stubborn it's really done mr.

John us the John us is there an entity

but they are the same like thing as Four

Noble Truths they are approved in the

motion of the process someone has we did

not change

lady how does identity view not come to

be here friend this akka well table

noble disciple who has regard for the

noble ones and is skilled and

disciplined in their Dhamma who has

regard for true men and is skilled and

disciplined in their dollar does not

regard material for a second or

self-possessed of material form or

material form as in self or self as in

material form he does not regard feeling

as self or self as possessed or feeling

or feeling as in self or self as in

feeling he does not regard perception

and self or self as possessed of

perception or perception as in self or

self as in perception he does not regard

formations as self or self as possessed

of formations or formations as in self

or self as in formations he does not

regard consciousness as self or self as

possessed of consciousness herself as in

consciousness or self as where

consciousness as itself or self as in

consciousness excuse me that is how the

identity view does not come to be in

other words that anger gets not affected

by cleaning the Noble Eightfold Path

lady what is the Noble Eightfold Path

friend Visakha

it is just this Noble

full path that is harmonious perspective

harmonious imaging harmonious

communication harmonious movement

harmonious lifestyle harmonious practice

harmonious observation and harmonious

collectiveness lady is the Noble

Eightfold Path condition or

unconditioned bread this haka the Noble

Eightfold Path is conditioned lady are

the three aggregates include included by

the Noble Eightfold Path or is the

Eightfold Path included by the three

aggregates the three aggregates are not

included in the Eightfold Path friend

moussaka but the Noble Eightfold Path is

included by the three aggregates the

harmonious communication harmonious

movement and harmonious lifestyle these

states are included in the aggregate of

virtue harmonious practice harmonious

observation and harmonious

collectiveness these states are included

in the aggregate of collectiveness

harmonious perspective and harmonious

imaging these states are included in

aggregate of wisdom lady this is as the

section on concentration lady what is

collectiveness what is the basis of

collectiveness what is the equipment of

collectiveness what is the development

of collectiveness unification of my

friend Osaka is collectiveness the four

foundations of mindfulness are based on

are the basis of collectiveness the four

right kinds of striving are the

equipment of collectiveness the

repetition development and cultivation

of these same states is the development

of collectiveness therein so this is

rather interesting because it says the

unification of mind is collectiveness

the four foundations of mindfulness are

the basis of collectiveness which is

saying that the four foundations of

mindfulness is talking about states of

jhana

remember we did the both of the four

foundations of mindfulness a few days

back and you have to see how it was

always talking about the drama states

how does the five aggregates working -

because the five aggregates are simply

the four foundations of mindfulness no

Oh different aggregates for a lot

getting about Thursday so what what is

it what news day okay because this okay

the four foundations of mindfulness is

essentially the basis for China good but

we in previous discussions last week we

had said that the five aggregates and

the four names of Iceland let us see our

yeah this we lose an infinitely so but

then it some saying that then the five

aggregates are the basis for a China

yeah whether like letting go with the

five aggregates so the basis of Aegina

but it's not letting go because when you

look at the okay so they're they're

basically saying that they're they're

the same thing

and these four four foundations of

mindfulness they arise while you're in

your practice and that would be the the

basis for the foundations or for the

collectiveness

here cuz I always thought the Pythagoras

with the base

ignorant because that's that's affected

by cleaning that gift that I can make

let's see there that's the tricky part

if it's effective like the Ford

Foundation the skiing the film nation

for Germany if you look at the four

foundations of mindfulness mu does it

mean like if you examine the body as the

body feeling s feeling good and you see

things as they actually are that allows

you to go in John is that what she knew

from the source nothing

there's some some translations that are

changing the four foundations to save

the body in the body and the feeling in

the feeling and that is the basis for

the choiceless awareness it doesn't the

traceless awareness doesn't really work

because there is that craving with

whatever arises and there's not seeing

the craving system let it go and your

mindfulness with choiceless awareness

it doesn't develop nearly as quickly as

coming back to an object to meditation

the object meditation of your home base

so if you're just going from one thing

that arises to another thing to arises

that to another thing

Rises you're not having that you're not

practicing the six R's and you're not

coming back to your object of meditation

so you can see how it gets distracted

again okay so you never get to see the

origination that way okay formations

lady how many formations are there there

are three formations friend is sungki

the bodily formation the verbal

formation and the mental formation but

lady what is the bodily formation what

is the verbal formation what is the

mental formation in breathing and out

breathing friend Visakha are the bodily

formation thinking and examining thought

are the verbal formation perception and

feeling are the mental formation but

lady why are in breathing and out

breathing the bodily formation why are

thinking and examining thought the

verbal formation why our perception and

feeling the mental formation friend

Visakha and breathing and out breathing

or bodily these are states bound up with

the body that is why in breathing and

out breathing or bodily formations there

are other bodily formations outside of

the breath too when you start radiating

loving-kindness there is the feeling

that is that it has to have a body in

order to feel so it's not only in

breathing and out breathing first one

apply a one thinks and examines thought

and subsequently one brings out into

speech that is why thinking and

examining thought our verbal formation

perception and feeling our mental these

are states bound up with mind that is

why perception and feeling are the

mental formation the attainment of

cessation lain how does the attainment

of cessation of perception and feeling

come to be friend Visakha when a monk is

attaining the cessation of perception

and feeling it does not occur to him I

fell attain this the cessation of

perception and feeling I am attaining

the cessation of perception and feeling

or I have attained the cessation of

perception and feeling but rather is

mind is has previously developed in such

a way that it leads him to that state

lady

when a monk is attaining the cessation

of perception and feeling which date

sees in him the bodily formation verbal

formation or the mental

for me friend Osaka when a monk is

attaining the cessation of perception

and feeling first the verbal formation

ceases then the bodily formation then

the mental formation lady

how does emergence from the attainment

of the cessation of perception and

feeling come to be friend Asaka when a

monk is emerging from the attainment of

the cessation of perception and feeling

it does not occur to him

I shall emerge from the attainment of

the cessation of perception and feeling

or I am emerging from the internment of

the cessation of perception and feeling

or I have emerged from the attainment of

the cessation of perception and feeling

but rather his mind has previously been

developed in such a way that it leads to

that state

so when perception and feelings cease

that will last for a period of time not

a long period of time and last five or

ten minutes something like that and then

when the perception and feeling arise

again that is it's like you had a

chalkboard and you clean the chalkboard

off and then when the perception and

feeling come back up you see the

ignorance the formations the conscious

yes you see the mentality materiality

and all of the rest of dependent

origination and then you see how they

cease when this doesn't arise that won't

arise when that won't arise this doesn't

erect the clear understanding of seeing

dependent origination in this way it's

such a big understanding that your mind

goes oh wow

and Nevada occurs you don't your mind

doesn't really go oh wow but it's it's

that kind of an experience I mean it is

consciousness altering and that's how

many bottom occurs now if you have the

slightest bit of attachment to being

unsure being afraid that will stop this

sensation of perception and ruling from

arising so you want to make sure that

your mind is completely open and

accepting of this state it's it can be a

subtle little

to do this or not and we have to let

that and go guaranteed you'll like it on

the other side of this oh but it's gonna

change me yes it will

you're gonna have a lot more fun your

mind is going to be a lot more clear we

cannot see it seeing those anything

that's that's the importance of the

sensation of perception and giving and

you get into that seat with any of those

wave rings no no right okay have to let

go all of that stuff you down the rabbit

hole sorry that was kind of neat you

know and we usually say sometimes the

minds that of the person it's like a

little two-year-old who's just looking

around the corner to see next you know

no apprehension about what might be

there no desire to see what's there just

looking around the corner to see what's

next and if you can hold that frame of

mind and just go curiosity like it's

it's an adventure to see what this is

going to be you can you can do that

Sarah is Sarah and then where a person

could have cessation of perception and

feeling and coming out of it not see

that dependent origination

I'd never heard of it that is part of

the process of it and in seeing with

wisdom as things were destroyed wisdom

as I say in dependent origination so

there can't be even the slightest bit of

hesitation or anxiety about what's gonna

happen if I do it

there has to be just that openness of

saying let's see what happens next

there was interesting because somebody

showed up ones who apparently had the

experience but didn't know anything

about what they saw and it's funny

because I had asked him the question

about two weeks before this person

showed up to ask him what happened so

you know he could describe when when I

went to the searches and I started

reading it his eyes got real wide and he

started going oh oh yeah yeah so I mean

that's an example where it can help them

to a person but they have no idea what

this was that happened well he went

through a change and he knew he went

through a change and he started going to

a lot of teachers and they agreed he

went through a change but they couldn't

explain it

what's he meditating kind of on its own

I mean I kind of got the feeling that he

was he was done a professor at Tulane

University he was in the Buddhist

studies department so he had exposure to

a lot of different types of things you

know

he was some I can't remember what he

told us he was practicing when this

happened but it wasn't Hersh remember it

wasn't her Sh it was some kind of a

practical into death but when he saw

them he saw the things he could not get

an explanation of what this was from any

teachers until he came to Bondi and then

he explained what it was and I miss

Beryl and he was explaining it and his

eyes just really just he knew precisely

that's what this was all about and then

he stayed for her I think it was a week

or two weeks to get into what all of

this and it came together really fast

for him it's understanding I'm young man

that came to Bondi about four years ago

five years ago me believe it's that long

five or six years back he showed up in

the wintertime to talk to Bonte about

what had happened to him personally and

what he had seen and he saw the twelve

links when he came out of the station he

saw them go up and go down but he had

didn't understand he had no definitions

no training at all for a reference no

swimmers reference and so he didn't know

what it was and when Monty ended by his

experience he recognized

yet they eat together really fast when

I'm in just a few days you could

understand all this stuff came together

to him you know really clearly and he

went through a personality shift so

there can't be the slightest hesitation

for any reason at all yes well your

might your mind is going to be so much

more clear people they go first to

understand everything soon so

intellectualizing to such an extent that

the intellectualization some house for

often see experienced appearance yes

and that happens that can happen for the

first stage of enlightenment and the

second stage but not the higher areas

and that can happen through meditation -

thanks to me after after a person has a

path knowledge they still have to work

for the fruition knowledge here and when

the fruition knowledge comes then they

have a sense of what stage of

enlightenment they are experiencing and

we'll go into that at another time

and in a couple of days there I have

another suit that we'll talk about okay

lady when a monk is emerging from the

attainment of cessation of perception

and feeling which date arises first in

him the bodily formation verbal

formation or mental formation misako

when a monk is emerged from the

attainment of the cessation of

perception and feeling first the mental

formation arises then the bodily

formation than the verbal formation lady

when a monk has emerged from the

attainment of the cessation of

perception and feeling how many kinds of

contact touch him Brenda Sokka when a

monk has emerged from the attainment of

perception and filled her with cessation

of perception and feeling three kinds of

contact touch him voidness contact

cyclist assigned list contact and desire

this contact I don't want to see what be

completely said about those

the first state of consciousness to

arise on emerging from the cessation is

that of fruition attainment no that's

not right that is taken from the city

Makkah and and IV Adama both and it is

not correct there is a belief that once

you have the path knowledge now there's

there's 17 different parts of the

thought moment okay and there are seven

Juwanna moments and you attain nirvana

in one of those seven jawan of moments

and they have the belief that the next

job at a moment is the fruition and

that's just not right you wouldn't know

that you have pro ition if it happened

that fast and there are people that will

have the path knowledge for a period of

time before they get the relation

knowledge

so what he's saying here I think we have

to let it go

it says avoid myths furnace signless and

desire the desire well there's there's a

lot happening in your mind I mean there

is various consciousness and you're

aware but there's not gonna be a whole

lot of thoughts arising

I think we'll have to let that go for a

little while that doesn't feel right

research yeah it's research time okay

lady when a monk has emerged from the

attainment of the cessation of

perception and feeling to what this is

mine incline to what does it mean - what

does it tend then Masako when a monk has

emerged from the attainment of the

cessation of perception and feeling his

mind inclines to seclusion leans to

seclusion tends to seclusion for a

little while it's such a major release

of tensions and tightness --is that the

joy that arises is really strong you

will feel it in every cell in your body

there's a relief and if you happen to

attain that and you come and tell me

you've attained it and I say good now

boosts it that's the last thing you feel

like doing but if you do it there's

great lessons that you'll you'll you'll

have from 6ra and letting it go and

allowing the feeling to be there

your mind will have the opportunity to

go in deeper again and you can have the

fruition very quickly it depends on the

conditions so this this kind of

experience is what we're working for

is it attainable in this lifetime

absolutely do you have to be a month to

get it no you don't do you have to be a

monk after you get it it depends on what

happens feeling lady how many kinds of

feeling are there there are three kinds

of feeling pleasant feeling painful

feeling and neither painful nor pleasant

feeling but lady what is pleasant

feeling

what is painful feeling what is neither

painful nor pleasant feeling Brenda

Sacco

whatever is felt bodily or mentally as

Pleasant and soothing is pleasant

feeling whatever is felt bodily or

mentally as painful feeling painful and

hurry is painful feeling whatever is

felt bodily and mentally as neither

soothing nor hurting is neither painful

nor Pleasant feeling lady what is

pleasant feeling what is painful feeling

in regard to pleasant feeling what is

painful feeling and what is pleasant

feeling in regard to painful feeling

what is Pleasant feeling and what is

painful feeling in regard to neither

painful nor Pleasant feeling here friend

Lusaka pleasant feeling is pleasant when

it persists and painful when it changes

painful feeling is painful when it

persists and Pleasant when it changes

neither painful nor Pleasant feeling is

pleasant when there is knowledge of it

and painful when there is no knowledge

of it why is it

painful when there's no knowledge of

neither perception are neither pain nor

pleasant okay neither painful nor

pleasant feeling is pleasant when there

is knowledge of it and painful when

there is no knowledge of it why is it

painful when there is no knowledge of

neither painful nor pleasant pigmen

saying it's doubly something that's your

there's a difference between difference

and the difference as I am attached to

and that's what we're talking about here

that's why it would be painful if there

is no knowledge of it is that equanimity

they think it's indifference and

equanimity is not indifference it's not

it's much bigger than room okay we have

some underlying tendencies lady what

underlying does that mean that there's

allowances that's the allowance and

equanimity is the same now I didn't hear

the word allowance allowing us allow it

to be ya know crazy

okay that's what I think might be in

differences in different sing again who

that who cares okay thank you okay what

underlying tendency underlies Pleasant

feeling

what underlying tendency underlies

painful feeling what underlying tendency

underlies neither painful nor pleasant

feeling friend Visakha the underlying

tendency to lust underlies Pleasant

feeling that means the potential for

lust is there when there is pleasant

feeling the underlying tendency to

aversion underlies painful feeling

painful feeling arises the first thing

your mind wants to do get rid of it we

should have waited not have it around

for you the underlying tendency to

ignorance of underlies neither painful

nor pleasant feeling what is ignorance

or no intrusion that's the that's the

underlying tendency to a difference lady

does the underlying tendency to lust

underlie all pleasant feeling does the

underlying tendency to aversion underlie

all painful feeling there's the

underlying tendency to ignorance

underlie all painful they're all neither

painful nor pleasant feeling friend

Visakha the underlying tendency to lust

does not underlie all painful feeling

all paint pleasant feeling excuse me the

underlying tendency to aversion does not

underlie all painful feeling the

underlying and

- ignorance does not underlie all

neither painful nor pleasant little lady

what should be abandon and regard to

pleasant feeling what should be

abandoned in regard to painful feeling

what should be abandoned and regard to

neither painful nor pleasant feeling

here Visakha the underlying tendency to

lust should be abandon in regard to

paint pleasant feeling the underlying

tendency to aversion should be abandoned

in regard to painful feeling the

underlying tendency to ignorance should

be abandoned in regard to neither

painful nor pleasant feeling lady does

the underlying tendency to lust have to

be abandoned in regard to all pleasant

feeling does the underlying tendency to

aversion have to be abandoned in regard

to all painful feeling does the

underlying tendency to ignorance have to

be abandoned in regard to all painful

nor pleasant feeling friend vishakha the

underlying tendency does not to lust

does not have to be abandoned and regard

to all pleasant feeling the underlying

tendency to aversion does not have to be

abandoned in regard to all painful

feeling the underlying tendency to

ignorance does not have to be a

in regard to all neither painful nor

pleasant feeling here fred Visakha quite

secluded from sensual pleasures secluded

from unwholesome states a monk

enters upon in abides in the first jhana

which is accompanied by thinking and

examining thought with joy and pleasure

and Happiness born of seclusion with

that he abandons lust and the underlying

tendency to lust does not live and does

not underlie that so hopefully not all

Pleasant feeling means that has must

arise in it when you get into a jhana at

that time there is no lust or a tendency

for lust to arrive at that time here a

month considers thus when shall I enter

upon and abide in that base that the

noble ones now enter upon and abide in

in one who thus generates a longing for

the supreme liberation brief arises and

with that longing as condition with that

he abandons aversion the underlying

tendency to aversion does not lie within

that would have edges say

and we'll do it again here a monk

considers thus when shall I enter upon

and abide in that base that the noble

ones now enter upon and abide in in one

who thus generates a longing for supreme

liberation grief arises and with that

longing as condition with that he

abandons aversion the underlying

tendency to aversion does not underlie

that it's basically saying that if you

are longing for it you can't get there

that's right desire is gonna keep you

from getting there in other words that's

where this mindset comes in where you

just the two-year-old doesn't have any

desire for anything to be around the

corner

he's just looking you know waiting

watching is that because the aversion is

the present moment to being in the

inversion is not having what you want

when you want

and doesn't that gets confirmed in 36 to

where he figured out pleasurable moments

are permitted in number 36 up to that

point with all his practices he thought

no pleasure was allowed at all as an

aesthetic none so he couldn't do this

kind of a where jhana this later jhana

because he had to he had to kind of

torture himself with what he was doing

the way they were doing everything

because when you're in the jhana your

mind is very pure and the way that it

becomes pure is by not having craving at

that time if you have a desire to keep

that jhana all of a sudden you're not in

the drama anymore and you have I am that

attached to that desire experience

Johnna experiencing pleasant evenings

the South must yes as long as there's

not the identification with them about

the craving listen understanding - it

certainly can be but that's one of the

reasons I tell people when they get into

a jhana and they experience the joy that

they six are the joy they don't try to

make the joy last longer or try to hold

on to it in any way you six are and you

allow the joy to be there and come back

to your object of meditation that's the

way to have it last longer lovingly

accepting the present moment exactly as

it is so the student comes and he goes

tomorrow and he says I'm gonna have

another session just like yesterday work

why doesn't that work and it causes

restlessness to orion's because you

start trying to it doesn't come you

start remaining out of the present

moment a little bit more trying to make

it come and all of a sudden you're

attacked by restlessness I think also

what you're doing too is you're judging

that present moment compared to what the

past was right and in that process

you're pushing from the present moment

up away and it's happening a very subtle

level so you're never really opening to

what's happening behind on yourself

yeah and that is a separation

anyway here with the abandoning of

pleasure and pain with the previous

disappearance of joy and grief Lamont

enters upon and abides in the fourth

drama which has neither pain nor

pleasure and purity of mindfulness

through the equanimity with that he

abandons ignorance and the underlying

tendency of ignorance does not underlie

that so we're talking about getting into

equanimity instead of indifference and

that then the ignorance doesn't underlie

that counterparts lady what is the

counterpart of pleasant feeling and

Visakha painful feeling is a counterpart

of pleasant feeling what is the

counterpart of pleasant feeling or

excuse me painful feeling pleasant

feeling is a counterpart of painful

feeling what is the counterpart of

neither painful nor pleasant feeling

ignorance is the counterpart of neither

painful nor pleasant feeling what is the

counterpart of ignorance true knowledge

is the counterpart of ignorance

what is the counterpart of true

knowledge deliverance is the counterpart

of true knowledge what is the

counterpart of deliverance Nevada is the

counterpart of deliverance lady what is

the counterpart of Nirvana

Brent vaisakhi you've pushed this line

of questioning too far you were not able

to grasp the limit of

questions for the holy life friend Osaka

is grounded upon the bona culminates in

Nibbana ends in nirvana

if you wish Brent Visakha go to the

Blessed One and ask him about the

meaning of this as the Blessed One

explains it to you you should remember

it then the lay follower Visakha having

delighted and rejoiced in the bikuni da

Medina's words rose from his seat and

after paying homage to him keeping him

on the right he went to the Blessed One

after paying homage to him he sat down

at one side and told the Blessed One his

entire conversation with the vicuna da

Medina when he finished speaking the

blessed one told him the bhikkhu da

Medina is wise Misaka are the bhikkhuni

da medina is why excuse me

the bhikkhuni da Medina has great wisdom

if you had asked me the meaning of this

I would have explained it to you in the

same way that the vicuna da Medina has

explained it such is its meaning and so

you should remember it that is what the

Blessed One said the lay follower Resaca

was satisfied and delighted in the

Blessed ones words that is high praise

coming from the woods and he does that

not only with Don Medina he also does it

with some monks and he says that that's

exactly the right way to say it and I

couldn't have said it any better

yeah another question

she became of the couny

but he would keep

you to be a follower but he was gonna go

on egami yeah so you could still be a

lay person being ananda gandha good so

when you were talking about going

through the attainment perception and

non perception the attainment yes you

said that one would would become a monk

maybe maybe yeah that's what I mean it

could be that you would become a nun who

got me or you would become an or out

well I seen are not thing you become a

Manu would be kind of a big booty or as

it says in the suit does you would die

within seven days because you need the

purity of the Sangha and there are there

are people that chose to die after seven

days the the buddha's father he was very

ill and he became in our hot and he said

that's enough

I don't want any

and he died as a layman he didn't take

the take off ropes but I thought there's

a problem about the Cooney's because of

the order is the advantages of becoming

an are hot because the clarity of your

mind means that there is no ignorance

ever arising in your mind again and

that's a big one you know and the

advantages of what what our hats do it

depends on their personal Bend some of

them become teachers and some of them

don't but they always wind up helping

people what is an objection not revenge

is such

keep it yeah you say there is or what so

yes definitely

aviation but you have to go through a

fruition to attend one of those states

that's right if you just said that

there's no real personality development

with the path not funny personality

development happens at fruit right

that's what at fruition

and it can happen at any time I mean you

can be washing the dishes or mowing the

lawn or doing whatever and you'll start

to feel that your mind is just going

deep and you say okay and then go sit

down for a little while and watch what's

happening and then it will will happen

by itself but the thing is you have to

really be careful

after the path knowledge to keep your

sets doors and not be attached to your

sense doors and you need to be careful

with what your mind is doing I mean

there can be a tendency for some people

to say I've already attained this I

don't care I can go out and do anything

and they can actually never have the

parishioner right because of that that

that is a problem

that talked about home you can lose the

attainment it talks about how you can

and that person still has work to do

everybody has work to do until they

become in our eye with the fruition do

you want to ask me whether I know

whether a person's we've done our are

hot or in a Nogami yeah that things

happen by itself so essentially when you

have the cessation of perception of

feeling you would have to you would have

your the path of that and then there's

the fruition of that look at each stage

of the of enlightenment process so it's

conceivable that you can have paths MSA

knowledge or Padma named it but you can

die in the process what would happen

with that hurry is there anything the

suit is hid kinda talks about if you die

fairly quickly after the attainment of

path the fruition knowledge would occur

before you died right before you died

and this this can happen fast but it's

not necessarily gonna be fast if you

like it how quick you will lose here at

temper you said as a suitor that said

you you can lose your

if it happens that you would die in the

next day you still have your stuff

stores are still being guarded I mean it

takes a while to wear that wear that

down get back to quote the way you were

so this year like does the suit is

actually have a time frame safety

between Pam you know so it could be

anywhere from four years to consent days

days or seconds it depends on your karma

at the time but you can lose a path you

can lose now at acknowledge if you

indulge in your sense pleasures and you

don't you can still break the precepts

but if you were to die the if you were

to die and you broke the precepts and

you didn't watch her sin stories that

there's no personality development until

the fruit they're suckers

you still have an indent row of the

fetters arising and if you don't take

care of that in a wholesome way then you

yourself very deeply

this is I think maybe you answered it

their fruition knowledge is just kidding

I don't I don't know what Farishta

knowledge is I guess it gets you you

have this process this attainment right

and that's all the path and you have to

have path and fruition knowledge for the

personality development to occur and the

personality development would be getting

rid of these are five fetters or ten

fetters depending on stuff you remember

sometimes they talk about the eight

kinds of individuals the eight kinds of

it's actually a kind of containment

there's not four there's eight okay so

it's bestowed upon and the soda polymer

through ition and then the socket

economy in the socket of going with

permission and then the economy with the

exhibition so there's the eight puppies

so if you were a slipper pile in this

lifetime and you die and you're born as

a human are you an excellent upon a

theory realized that you and you would

remember that experience when you're

very young in a dream

and you would know beyond any doubt that

you are

what is the sort of first step of

enlightenment and you would come back no

less or no lower than a human being and

you would you can come back as many as

seven times before you would attain our

and fair anyone you can be reborn in a

heavenly realm and attain nirvana

apparently by now from there

and we'll talk more about that in a

couple of days I'll bring out the suta

and show you where it says this okay

yeah okay let's America really wants to

be suffering free and the fear struck

fearless beat maybe we should all

breathe a sigh of relief may all be

share this merit that we have thus

acquired for the acquisition of all

kinds of happiness many beings

inhabiting space protect

you