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Context: Throughout this transcript, Bhante Vimalaramsi is the speaker unless otherwise indicated.

okay so tonight we get to go through

dependent origination in more detail

than I have for this retreat so far thus

have I heard of one occasion the blessed

one was living in sawatya Jettas Grove

and it's in pendejas park now on that

occasion of pernicious view had arisen

in a monk named saeki son of a fisherman

thus as I understood the Dhamma taught

by the Blessed One it is the same

consciousness that runs and wanders

through the rounds of rebirths not

another this particular review is very

broad because they have a belief in

reincarnation that the same

consciousness days with you from

lifetime to lifetime so he was rather

attached to this view several months

having heard about this went to the

monks aati and ask him friend saati is

it true that such a pernicious view has

arisen in you exactly so friends as I

understand

taught by the blessed one it is the same

consciousness that runs and wanders

through the rounds of rebirth not

another man then those monks desiring to

detach him from that pernicious view

pressed and questioned and cross

questioned him thus friends sake do not

say so do not misrepresent the blessed

one it is not good to misrepresent the

blessed one the blessed one would not

speak thus for in many ways the blessed

one has stated consciousness to be

dependently arisen sets without a

condition there is no origination of

consciousness yet although pressed in

question and cross-question by those

monks in this way the monks auty son of

a fisherman still obstinately adhered to

that previous view and continued to

insist upon it since the monks were

unable to detach him from that

pernicious view they went to the Blessed

One after paying homage to him sat down

at one side and told him all that had

occurred adding venerable sir since we

could not detach the monks off teeth son

of a fisherman from his pernicious view

we have reported this matter to the

blessed one now every time it says his

name and son of a fisherman his father

was a fisherman but sati hated the smell

of fish and this is kind of a gentle

monk put down to keep calling him son of

a fisherman

then the blessed one addressed a certain

month thus come up let the monks at the

son of a fisherman in mind it count monk

tell them tell the monk sake son of a

fisherman and might name that the

teacher calls him yes Ben herbal Surrey

replied and he went to the monks aati

and told him the teacher calls you for

inside T yes friend now this is

something that happened during the time

of the Buddha that everybody in robes

addressed each other as friend when

Buddha on right before he attained

parinibbana he changed that and he said

the senior monk should be called bhante

Reverend sir and the junior monk should

be called iluso which means friend and

sometimes it's done and most of the time

it's not

bunty is my day spa day yes friend he

replied and he went to the blessed one

and after paying homage to him sat down

at one side the blessed one that asked

him Satya is a truth of the following

pernicious view as arisen in you as I

understand the dhamma talk by the

Blessed One it is the same consciousness

that runs and wanders through the rounds

of rebirth not another exactly so dinner

will serve as I understand the dhamma

talk by the Blessed One it is the same

consciousness that runs and wanders

through the realms of rebirth not

another what is that consciousness of T

venerable sir it is that which speaks

and feels and experiences hearing their

the results of good and bad actions

misguided man to whom have you ever told

no need to teach the Dhamma in that way

how misguided man is pretty rough speech

for the Buddha I mean he doesn't say

that kind of thing very often so if he

says misguided man it's like getting

slapped with a wet towel misguided man

have I not stated in many ways

consciousness to be dependently arisen

since without a condition there is no

origination of consciousness but you

misguided men have misrepresented

misrepresented as for by you're wrong

grasp and injured yourself and stored up

much demerit for this will lead to your

harm and suffering for a long time I

happened to me where there was some

Brahmins

this country column hindus they don't

call themselves that they call

themselves brahman and they were talking

with a very senior monk and they said

what is the difference between what

you're teaching and what we're

practicing so the senior monk said that

there is no self everything is

impersonal and the Brahmin said well

that's basically the same thing that

we're saying because everything is God

is all the same thing so we're

practicing the same thing we're

practicing a permanent self and you're

practicing no self and it means the same

thing and I wanted to say to that

Brahman give me your wallet with all of

your money and I would take the money

out and then give him back his wallet

and say it's the same thing whether that

wallet has money in it or not right

that's what I wanted to do that i didn't

but they got in a long discussion about

how it wasn't the same thing but the

brahmins are very a steadfast in their

view and their belief in a permanent

self

then the blessed one had dreads address

the monks thus monks what do you think

has this mock sake son of the fishermen

kindled even a spark of wisdom in this

dominant discipline how could he

venerable sir no venerable sir when that

was said the monks at ease some of the

fishermen SAT silent dismayed with

shoulders drooping and head down glum

and without response then knowing this

the Blessed run propelled him misguided

man you will be recognized by your

pernicious view I shall question amongst

on this matter and we still recognize in

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okay so tonight we get to go through

dependent origination in more detail

than I have for this retreat so far thus

have I heard of one occasion the blessed

one was living in sawatya Jettas Grove

and it's in pendejas park now on that

occasion of pernicious view had arisen

in a monk named saeki son of a fisherman

thus as I understood the Dhamma taught

by the Blessed One it is the same

consciousness that runs and wanders

through the rounds of rebirths not

another this particular review is very

broad because they have a belief in

reincarnation that the same

consciousness days with you from

lifetime to lifetime so he was rather

attached to this view several months

having heard about this went to the

monks aati and ask him friend saati is

it true that such a pernicious view has

arisen in you exactly so friends as I

understand

taught by the blessed one it is the same

consciousness that runs and wanders

through the rounds of rebirth not

another man then those monks desiring to

detach him from that pernicious view

pressed and questioned and cross

questioned him thus friends sake do not

say so do not misrepresent the blessed

one it is not good to misrepresent the

blessed one the blessed one would not

speak thus for in many ways the blessed

one has stated consciousness to be

dependently arisen sets without a

condition there is no origination of

consciousness yet although pressed in

question and cross-question by those

monks in this way the monks auty son of

a fisherman still obstinately adhered to

that previous view and continued to

insist upon it since the monks were

unable to detach him from that

pernicious view they went to the Blessed

One after paying homage to him sat down

at one side and told him all that had

occurred adding venerable sir since we

could not detach the monks off teeth son

of a fisherman from his pernicious view

we have reported this matter to the

blessed one now every time it says his

name and son of a fisherman his father

was a fisherman but sati hated the smell

of fish and this is kind of a gentle

monk put down to keep calling him son of

a fisherman

then the blessed one addressed a certain

month thus come up let the monks at the

son of a fisherman in mind it count monk

tell them tell the monk sake son of a

fisherman and might name that the

teacher calls him yes Ben herbal Surrey

replied and he went to the monks aati

and told him the teacher calls you for

inside T yes friend now this is

something that happened during the time

of the Buddha that everybody in robes

addressed each other as friend when

Buddha on right before he attained

parinibbana he changed that and he said

the senior monk should be called bhante

Reverend sir and the junior monk should

be called iluso which means friend and

sometimes it's done and most of the time

it's not

bunty is my day spa day yes friend he

replied and he went to the blessed one

and after paying homage to him sat down

at one side the blessed one that asked

him Satya is a truth of the following

pernicious view as arisen in you as I

understand the dhamma talk by the

Blessed One it is the same consciousness

that runs and wanders through the rounds

of rebirth not another exactly so dinner

will serve as I understand the dhamma

talk by the Blessed One it is the same

consciousness that runs and wanders

through the realms of rebirth not

another what is that consciousness of T

venerable sir it is that which speaks

and feels and experiences hearing their

the results of good and bad actions

misguided man to whom have you ever told

no need to teach the Dhamma in that way

how misguided man is pretty rough speech

for the Buddha I mean he doesn't say

that kind of thing very often so if he

says misguided man it's like getting

slapped with a wet towel misguided man

have I not stated in many ways

consciousness to be dependently arisen

since without a condition there is no

origination of consciousness but you

misguided men have misrepresented

misrepresented as for by you're wrong

grasp and injured yourself and stored up

much demerit for this will lead to your

harm and suffering for a long time I

happened to me where there was some

Brahmins

this country column hindus they don't

call themselves that they call

themselves brahman and they were talking

with a very senior monk and they said

what is the difference between what

you're teaching and what we're

practicing so the senior monk said that

there is no self everything is

impersonal and the Brahmin said well

that's basically the same thing that

we're saying because everything is God

is all the same thing so we're

practicing the same thing we're

practicing a permanent self and you're

practicing no self and it means the same

thing and I wanted to say to that

Brahman give me your wallet with all of

your money and I would take the money

out and then give him back his wallet

and say it's the same thing whether that

wallet has money in it or not right

that's what I wanted to do that i didn't

but they got in a long discussion about

how it wasn't the same thing but the

brahmins are very a steadfast in their

view and their belief in a permanent

self

then the blessed one had dreads address

the monks thus monks what do you think

has this mock sake son of the fishermen

kindled even a spark of wisdom in this

dominant discipline how could he

venerable sir no venerable sir when that

was said the monks at ease some of the

fishermen SAT silent dismayed with

shoulders drooping and head down glum

and without response then knowing this

the Blessed run propelled him misguided

man you will be recognized by your

pernicious view I shall question amongst

on this matter and we still recognize in

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