2016 Dhamma Discussion Bhante V and Punnaji Part 2-sycLGKeeFZk.en.vtt.txt

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Context: Throughout this transcript, Bhante Vimalaramsi is the speaker unless otherwise indicated.

okay so we are here today on June 27

2016 with bought a villa Rama T the

advocacy and meditation center and

horrible footage from Malaysia

originally from Sri Lanka

now I wanted to talk a little bit with

you about the 40 different kinds of

meditation that is made up by Buddha

Gosa there are more the Buddha actually

only taught one kind of meditation there

are 40 different objects of meditation

but when you see that the six ours and

that relaxed step is used with any other

meditation it's still the same kind of

meditation it's just a different object

if you want to stare at a candle and you

use the six hours with that you're

practicing twin it doesn't matter

whether it's a breath or a Cocina or

whatever if you're using twin that's

what the Buddha taught is just one kind

of meditation but many different objects

one of the meditations that's not

mentioned in the 40 different kinds is

called the voidness meditation and

that's seeing that every thought every

feeling every sensation is not me

it's not mine

if we can attain ivana through common

practice so can we you can if you're

using twin but if you turn it into one

pointed concentration not going to

happen

you have to have the ring back six hours

and you have the six hours in every

genre in every group dijanna six hours

are there that's why I said when you

first started if you practice the six

artists and you really understand them

they will take you to Navona

and our option it doesn't matter but the

brown will be hard your practice your

progress is very fast that's why I'm

choose to teach this way

if you come with mindfulness of

breathing at least 6 weeks or you come

with brahma vihara then they you will be

successful

it has the potential it depends on the

person doing it just like doing the

brahma vihara

you have the potential to become a soda

panel or sakagami or on a gun but we

have to do it to see if you're ready

forth if your mind is ready for it

I had one student that said you are

pushing me too fast she went through all

of the route pajamas she started getting

into a group pajamas you're pushing me

too fast I said I'm not pushing you

anywhere I'm explaining what your

experiences your mind is going that fast

she had been a nun for ten years all she

needed was to have that tool of

recognized release relax free smile

return everything and when she put that

to her practice of she had good

concentration now she's having insights

into this it was very quickly

depends on the person and I very often

tell people that I'm not a

fortune-teller I don't know when these

things will happen but I certainly get

excited when they see that they become

more and more clear more and more

observant I mean seeing individual

consciousnesses arising passing away

very quickly is amazing and that's what

infinite consciousness is and you can

see it when your mind calms down enough

when you've spent a period of time of 15

20 25 minutes where there's no

disturbance in mind and then you start

seeing individual consciousnesses

popping up and going away you always

have one more question and I have to

tell you I love it

if we don't follow the six hours and it

will practice the satavahanas

I have practiced this at the time atsuta

for twenty years and did not attain

nirvana

okay when you add that why that's the

question

why didn't I they said I attained me one

but I didn't because your mind is on

your object of meditation on the breath

rise and fall of the bellying whatever

and there's distraction there

instructions are note the distraction

until it goes away now here's the key

then immediately come back to your

primary object of meditation without the

relax depth so what are you doing you're

bringing any crazy thing back to your

object to meditation so that turns it

into one pointed concentration which is

not the path that the Buddha taught

so you have to be able I had for 20

years I had headaches that were

unbelievable because of the one pointed

concentration as soon as I saw the

relaxed step I haven't had any headache

sense so that's the major difference you

have to follow the directions that it

says nobody does nobody tranquilizers a

bodily formation on the in-breath or the

out breath and if you don't do that that

means you're not letting go of gravy and

if you don't let go of crazy how can you

get to a pure mind of NEPA same same

instructions in sake fathanah suta it is

a on a philosophy same exact

instructions but it's not being followed

because they take the vasuki Mogga as

the main book if you don't believe that

the suti manga you don't follow and take

it the same as the Buddha's teaching

then you are not considered Tara vada so

what I do is I am NOT terracotta monk

I'm suit

I announced that at the world Buddhist

Council but I think I take the suitors

as the Buddha's teaching and you see

every yourself by listening to me read

the simpler to you it's not my teaching

it's the Buddhist teaching and when you

follow that teaching you are successful

one of the problems with the Vasudha

manga is dividing Samhita and Vipassana

making them a different meditation the

Buddha didn't teach that way he taught

that it was the same meditation and they

were equally useful at the same time you

can practice this both together what no

but one by one as they occur see that

has the five aggregates in what suits

re-put does experience Oh No each drama

what it has the five aggregates well the

five aggregates and the four foundations

of mindfulness are the same that's what

it says in the same unique idea and that

means you're practicing insight and

Samet at exactly the same time while

you're in the job hmm

and that's why I started talking about

insight and even in the first job it's

there it's not very strong but there is

I don't call jhana a level or a kind of

concentration

I called jhana a level of your

understanding you understand more deeply

how mind works every time you go from

one job to the next so your mind becomes

more clear and you start seeing things

more easily and that's part of the

insights yes it certainly is helpful I

mean that's what being mindful is all

about it doesn't matter whether you're

sitting or not if you practice the six

hours and your daily activities when you

see your mind is running all over the

place and u6r and let it go and relax

you're letting go of crazy so your mind

becomes more clear so you practice the

six hours while you're doing your daily

activity because there's no time during

the day that's not meditation when you

use the six

then when you go to sit your quiet time

so you watch more closely it's much

easier to get into the deep states

because you've practiced letting go of

craving during your daily activities and

these are my ideas but it seems to agree

with what the Buddha was talking about

stole baby yeah my biggest problem with

bhikkhu bodhi this was three books with

a tech society

yeah one this was five books he put it

all into one

now that's very yeah all three books are

hearing this morning in this phone no

this one by boiling water

yeah oh man

yeah yeah yeah we put it all into one

yeah yeah I call it a sadist causing

pain just because you have to carry

something that every year round

34 satipatthana what does it mean no

that's what I said

sati upar Tong sati is attention

kupatana means to focus it inside to

focus the attention inside which is to

focus within and that is to focus on the

body how the body feels and focus on the

mind in two forms the emotional part and

the thinking part the emotional part is

the what he calls the mood now the

modern cognitive psychology is aware of

this that emotional part is called the

effective and the thinking part is

called the cognitive even Sigmund Freud

was aware of that that the emotional

part he called the Eid Eid Eid and

thinking party called the ego so that

distinction is there

satay padang the means that focusing the

mind in words that is what I call

introspection the word introspection is

that so the real word for sati is not

mindfulness but introspection attention

here

and that's how you start understanding

the links of dependent origination and

how they work that's that's the main

question for food ISM how does it happen

not why that psychologist stuff how and

that's why the definition I give for

mindfulness remembering to observe how

Minds attention moves you have a

tendency to go deeper into your practice

when you see how it works

if you get caught up in wine or your

curiosity you have a memory of a past

lifetime and you follow it you're not

being mindful doesn't matter does this

work 6r yeah

no you know that it's impersonal that's

that's the definition I give for I don't

like myself translate I say in person

because there's so much mixed up well

you have to build up the ego before you

can see there is no ego

there's the thinking and a lot of people

this is not good idea right but when you

use the word impersonal mmm that means

you're seeing without any creep that's

right and that's that's a pretty major

that's why I translate amethyst in

personality

and forever beholding to you for getting

me away from the city manga it was a

major change in my life

major because I was always going back to

the vicinity Magan if I didn't

understand something and that didn't

always agree with what it says in the

suit death but I was taught this way

always go to the veloute market that's

the encyclopedia of meditation and he

was the one that showed me he told me

when I was telling him how I was

teaching meditation I was teaching

loving-kindness and I was using the

language of the Vasudha market to teach

it and he stopped and he said why don't

you let go of the language of the visit

imago and start using the language of

this is death and I did and I had many

light bulbs going off in my head

oh that's what that means when I had the

Vasudha manga so close I didn't

understand what the sifter said when it

wasn't there it was easy to understand

so I'm ever so grateful

well really I have been trying to find

out whether I can find something in the

sutras to fit into that ultimately they

speak about what is called namaha with

arson on Jana that means nine Nana's did

I discovered nine Nana's in the

satipatthana sutra but those jnanis are

not what is described in the city market

it is very different but they are simply

nine steps in subtle in the Vipassana

these are nine steps that is now which

is repeated in the kyon okusama

it is repeated in the way the non posso

Chetan about Samantha Luhmann Wasserman

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javac icon possibility a gentleman Dava

Kuiper possibility that is tree there

then he says someday dominocus IVA

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why the Mana Party Vikas finger someday

why demand for Civic Hospital there

there are six there then at the coyote

upon us a tea party party Touhou tea

yeah our they won anima so I participate

in a star that is one there then Anissa

toad to be healthy that is uneasy

totally healthy and then not again till

okay you pocket those are the three then

nine altogether so but those nine steps

are not found in the visit the bunker

they I don't know from where they picked

it up but most most because they have

been a lot of false our hands during a

soakers time because during ahsoka stein

there were eight eight eighteen schools

of Buddhism and eighteen ways of

interpreting the teachings of the Buddha

so that shows that and each each school

of Buddhism the leader is called an era

so how can there be so many eras talking

different things if you are an around

you

we talking about the same thing what

what you can't believe all of them some

of them were influenced by the Brahmins

what AM are influenced by the question

yeah no it's only by reading it you can

see that there is nothing one sutra

going against the other so there is no

such thing like that

in if you read the sutra pitaka all the

sutras you begin to see that they are

all united for instance suitor number 20

huh it's called removal of distracting

okay

yeah but it says

if while giving attention to stealing

the thought formation of thoughts there

still arise in him evil and wholesome

thoughts connected with desire hate and

delusion then with his teeth clutched

and his tongue pressed against the roof

of his mouth he should beat down

constrain and crush mine with mine okay

then you go to sift in number 36 number

20 and he says the Buddha says I thought

suppose if i with my teeth clutched my

tongue pressed against the roof of the

mouth I beat down constrain and crush

mine with mine so with teeth clutched

and tongue pressed against the roof of

the mouth I beat down constrained and

pressed my

while I did so sweat ran from my armpits

just as a strong man might seize a

weaker man by they had red shoulders and

beat him down constrain him and crushed

him so - I did that with these thoughts

and sweat ran down my armpits

although tireless energy was aroused in

me unremitting mindfulness was

established my body was overwrought and

uncommon because I was exhausted by

painful striving that says don't do that

but here it says to do it what but I

don't understand that what are the

sutras

that and and greater this course to

soccer effect huh the greater of this

course to sidekick up maja site rak'ahs

of dead number 36

you may have it look at that buddy huh

well I I say that it's added on because

people were practice minutes and

briefing and they just took it from the

other suta saying ok let's do it this

way because that's the only way to 1.8

concentration we took the Sun Tan Sutra

yeah and the other one is so what I

think of all of those just the first one

is the one that gives good instruction

all the rest is suppressing pushing away

not liking treating a hindrance like

rotting meat or an ax necklace

well that's all good and well but the

Buddha's teaching is this this but it's

not 20 not correctly that's the whole

point it's pointing not correctly if you

practice one pointed concentration only

if you don't have the relaxed step where

you are actually purifying mine then

it's just like every other meditation

that's being taught it's one point if

concentration force of a concentration

suppresses pushes down and rinses by

suppressing oh no what this problem

you're talking about that the the this

without the Sun vana is talking about

the the top forcing thing I went into

the original the Pali and found that

that is the wrong translation it's not

that you see what the Buddha is trying

to say

you see when the say when you are

meditating you begin to relax the body

but sometimes you begin to observe that

your tongue is tied tight onto the

palette and the take teeth are clenched

and when that when you are aware of that

what you have to do is to relax not to

tighten it but here the translation year

is to tightening

which is the wrong translation that's

what I am saying no no no no no no it's

not something in the Pali it is

something in the translation the error

is in the translation not in the Pali

oh yeah yeah yeah also spoken to all

these people they tried to say that that

is the Poli Poli yeah yeah and they said

in the all translation in the whole

power there was only 150 centers in

Germany tyre not 152 I am saying that

that one Souter it might be in Pali but

it was added later with round

understanding no but I am saying is that

the Pali has a different meaning I

understand what you're saying yeah yeah

yeah three the hindrance like it's a

piece of writing me hmm now is that a

good way to let go yeah it's a little go

that is importantly and right but that's

not what they're telling you to suppress

yeah yeah I know read it that's

something that smells bad

no you're not going to accept anything

you're not going to allow it to be there

and relax into it you're going to

mentally try to push down yeah that's

what I'm saying

I also went to Baku moody and I laughing

try to suppress and crush mine yeah yeah

and he said well I've done meditation

and I have to do that and I basically

said you don't know how to meditate

because you don't need to do that the

too many monks right about you have to

stop you have to push down in Princes no

that is because they are trying to

concentrate that's right yeah and what I

tell people is the hindrance is your

teacher is showing you where you have an

attachment

what is the attachment I am that that

means there it is great so when you let

go of that attachment when you let go of

that craving that's how you get into the

job because you're purifying my

that is why I don't agree with people

that are practicing concentration

because it's not the same and it doesn't

agree with anyone it doesn't agree with

what it says

that's my nono what one food trays about

but the Buddha did when he was trying to

stop the breath no no no that is that is

in man Sutra but both sutras there's

some mistake the burmese

to try to crush mind with mind now

because of their one pointed

concentration oh yeah yeah but the first

one that says let go of the unwholesome

the first part of it let go of the end

also develop the wholesome I agree with

that and completely but what what does

it mean unwholesome taking it personally

I am that feeling I am that memory I am

that that is unwholesome when you use

the six artists then there's no I in

there

there's just the impersonal observation

so I agree with the first part of that

but then the rest of it is trying to

suppress trying to thank you push away

stop I see too many people that have

practice with us enough for years and

years and they hit a wall they just get

to a place they don't progress anymore

they still have their anger they still

have their pride yeah yeah

go and that's one of the things that is

most helpful about using that relaxed

step is you stop identifying with these

things there's a major teacher here in

this country he said when he was in

India when he first started practicing

he had a lot of fear he gets in front of

an audience to this day you can hear the

fear in his mind he's very strong at

practicing straight capacidad but he

still hasn't let go of the fear so if

there's something missing in his

practice

and of course I've written to him he is

a friend of mine I have written to him

the thing is there is another problem

there that word a cantata in the word a

cantata the translators one-pointed this

is the reason yeah no anchor a Cummings

one alga means end

abdomens end one end what I point out is

that the bind divides into two like this

going in two different directions the

the emotional part going in one

direction and the thinking part going in

the other direction

now when say people come to the temples

and they recite the five precepts so

when they have to recite the Five

Precepts they believe that it is right

to to observe the Five Precepts but when

they go home they get angry and then the

husband and wife begins to fight or one

man wants to drink and then going on

drinks and all kinds of things happen

how is that because there are two minds

one mind the thinking mind accepted the

five precepts but the emotional mind

want to break it that's how it happens

so the mind yet this is recognized by

the modern psychologists they call it

cognitive dissonance cognitive

dissonance means that by separating into

two and what is necessary is cognitive

consonance concerns means the two has to

come in one and that is the meaning of a

cantata the mind has to unite that

uniting the mind is the acog data item

is one one end it has to go into one end

and that is the Samadhi Samadhi is where

the mind unites into one end is the

meaning of it but they try to think that

that is concentration that's the mistake

they are making

oh this is good but later he actually

believes not for me I don't care about

them it's good but I don't like I won't

follow so it doesn't mean that he agrees

at one end and the agrees and yet it

means he thinks it's a good idea but not

for him I mean it's a little different

there's you can't say what is without

craving and he is the good man and then

there is this emotional man who's with

craving and he's the bad well there's

one personal material system yeah I'll

follow but later her gift and he breaks

it so that's the purse so in the end

that person doesn't believe in the box

and he is suffering briefly when I

really my life is so unfair

that's why I highly recommend that you

take the precepts every day with the

determination to keep and if you happen

to break one of the precepts great then

take them again with the strong

determination I'm not going to do that

then when you get ready to sit in

meditation your mind that doesn't have

any guilty feeling so your meditation is

very good your mind is already so why

don't we share America and call us

okay any suffering ones be suffering

free the fear struck fearless be needed

the grieving shed all grief and all

beings like many all being share his

merit that we've just acquired for the

acquisition of all kinds of happiness

may even happen in space that there

Neha's and noggins of mighty power share

this merit of hours long protect the

Buddha's dispensation

you