2016 Dhamma Discussion Bhante V and Punnaji Part 1-dsDq57SH7q4.en.vtt.txt

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Context: Throughout this transcript, Bhante Vimalaramsi is the speaker unless otherwise indicated.

okay so we are here today on June 27

2016 with bought a dremel Rama to the

abbot of the Dhamma sukha Meditation

Center and we will put in G from

Malaysia

originally from Sri Lanka and tonight

we'll be having a discussion between

both so I was asked today about the

acronym twin why do we have the word

wisdom in it the word Samadhi is always

translated as concentration

rice-davies in his dictionary said that

the word samadhi was never used before

the time of the Buddha there were many

other words for the word concentration

but the Buddha wanted to use a different

word so it would describe a different

type of meditation sama means tranquil D

according to I think was ba Dada

he had a dictionary it was in his

dictionary D meant wisdom so that's why

we call a tranquil wisdom insight

meditation you have to have very very

calm mind to be able to see the links of

dependent origination any time you hear

the word wise or wisdom in the sutas

it's talking about seeing the links of

dependent origination and understanding

how this process works

and I wanted you to comment on this if

you can hear properly

oh I'm sorry he said probably turn my

head toward you yeah sama is tranquil D

according to the Bodhisattva is wisdom

yeah I miss them and that's why we we

called this tranquil wisdom there is

insight in

meditation yeah meditation Twi

rice-davies in his dictionary said that

the word Samadhi was never used before

the Buddha started using it to describe

a different kind of meditation than

one-point-two concentration hmm is that

correct well yeah some of the ie

translated as tranquillity and not

concentration I don't use the word

concentrate I learned that from here

yeah I tell some of my students the word

concentration is less yeah four-letter

word in English we don't yeah yeah

do you agree with me when I say that the

word wisdom when it's used in the sutras

is talking about dependent origination

well I have no objection to using the

word wisdom because wisdom I see as the

result of meditation that means you

begin to understand or comprehend what

we dare to understand not Samet Samadhi

D is wisdom

translations are different it depends on

the person that does the interpretation

of the word their understanding of it I

think there's not a very important

problem because it is all connected with

wisdom and the tranquil mind is able to

understand things and yeah

I seem to be criticized a lot about the

instructions and mindfulness of

breathing when it says to tranquilize

the bodily formation on the in-breath

and tranquilize on the out-breath mm-hmm

there are some Australian monks that say

when you practice one pointed

concentration your mind is trainable but

the word toss them by it means it's a

verb or a noun or an adjective and the

only way we know that this is a verb to

tranquilize mm-hmm is because of he

trains us it doesn't say he trained to

us and McCain trampled it says that you

trained us to tranquilize and there's a

lot of people because out of some

translations that when they're talking

about mindfulness of breathing they call

it the the body of breath that they have

to be aware of my understanding is that

that there's too much emphasis put on

breath and not enough emphasis on

tranquil light and what I see is there

has to be this tranquilization on the

in-breath and tranquilization on the

out-breath of body

this is one of my favorite little tools

there's a membrane that goes over this

and in between and over it's called the

meninges

every time the meninges every time

there's a thought feeling or sensation

the brain pushes against the meninges

and it causes slight tension so what I

take that to mean is on the in-breath

you relax so that there's no tightness

against the meninges on the in-breath

you do that on the out-breath

you do that and I have been criticized

by an awful lot of people that practice

many different forms of meditation

saying no that's wrong because it's the

body of breath that you have to

tranquilize and when that happens what I

would I tell people is they're focusing

too much on the breath and not

recognizing

that the tightness is how will you

recognize crazy you agree with that so

and of course you have the spinal cord

going all the way down and the meninges

is around that whole thing so when you

relax that tightness that you feel here

you're actually tranquilizing the whole

body well the way I see it is like this

now we read the sutras satipatthana

Sutra the Buddha says Oreimo concerting

port-au-patois that means sato of

societies sot opacity that chateau

assisity photo pastor you are aware of

the breathing in and aware of the

breathing out you see there is a mistake

made by the commentators that mistake is

you see the word para mo concerning no

port-au-patois there the word mu ker the

translators mouth mouth Mooka they say

mouth and pari means around around the

mouth perimeter means around the mouth

and then they say around the mouth

is the upper lip then they say upper lip

means the nostril and then they say

concentrate concentrating on the nostril

that is what you should do when you

breathe in and breathe out what I am

saying is that that is wrong what is

called mukha is not mouth

Mooka is face now when I said this in

Malaysia the people in Malaysia said yes

according to our language

mocha means stress that means that is a

real original meaning of the word booker

is not mouth but in the sri lankan

language signal is people they use the

word mocker to refer to the mouth so I

think that is a mistake that they made

but the real original meaning of makkah

is faith now the other point is para

mocha para means around now he say the

environment is called parisa ray pari

means around environment is what is

around you and para mocha means around

the face now around the face means your

attention normally you all your senses

since organs are in the face the eyes in

the face nose in the face the tongue in

the face the years in the face now in

when an animal like a dog walks in for

legs

it's the face that goes in front not now

the human being only because the human

being is standing on two legs the face

is not going forward like that but still

it is the face that is in front and

because all the organs this kind of s so

around the face means whatever is seen

around you and that means the eye

whatever the eye sees outside and

whatever the year here is outside

everything is going around you and for

amou Consulting's the word sati really

means attention so parama concerting

means the attention that is focused on

what is around you

Parrom concerting Cooper Tibet WA Cooper

means inside upper means outside it

remains inside so Cooper Tapatio means

to to establish that means the attention

that is focused on external things must

be withdrawn from that and focused

within that is the meaning of that and

focus we need means

kaien masala vada nano pasta MA Chetan

possum ah-dah-mah

asana that means you are focusing on the

body the feelings in the body the

emotional state in the mind and the

thoughts in the wine their emotional

state means the the word that normally

used in English is what we call the mode

am WOD mode what is your mode that state

of the emotional state is the mode are

you angry or are you greedy or are you

frightened or are you worried that is

the moon so the cheetah really means the

moon and the word mono refers to the

thinking part the thinking reasoning you

find out whether it is true or false

good or bad the thinking part is the

mono and what is in the mono is the

thought so when we say mono dumb just

like we said choco Krupa Chuck we the I

Rupa is the mental image that we see is

not material but we take it as material

Rupa then oh is that the definition of

Rupa Rupa means image now when we say we

are going to draw a picture that is

called Rupa that picture is called Rupa

when many camera takes a picture the

picture is the ropa

so our eyes also like a camera taking

pictures and whatever we see when I see

a chair there it is stinky a picture in

the eye what's that

Buddha Rupa what's that

I don't hear that problem okay

he wants to know if the root word for

our group is Rupa Rupa yeah a Rupa me is

not true / that means not a Robin is not

true / Rupa is the picture a Rupa means

not a picture yeah what I this is for

our the form no no this is wide the

picture is they use the word form to

refer to the picture is a picture that

you see that form is another word they

used to refer to a picture

in the West is the word mindfulness yeah

I have an objection to that word the

word word mindfulness is to fill the

mind but what you are really trying to

do is to empty the mind not to feel the

buying mindfulness means you are fully

conscious that is the meaning of

mindfulness so this is your this is the

problem here is are you focusing on

external things or are you focusing on

what is going on inside you

so the satipatthana is to focus on what

is going on inside you not what is going

on outside but what is going on inside

is your reaction to what is going on

outside so instead of looking at what is

going on outside we have to take our

mind inwards and look at the reaction

because it is the reaction that we are

trying to get rid of you on mind so yeah

that's what it is

to observe what is going on outside but

you what is happening to your mind yeah

something to say

yeah better by practicing meta whether

you can become a attended one is that

what you're saying now if you take the

sutra on meta do you know how the sutra

ends you don't know that it ends by

saying detention Appa gamma das Elena

sambar know coming to Vinay yoga Dan

Nigel to Garbus a young Pune relativity

you have to understand the meaning of

that what it says is if you practice

this methane the proper way at the end

you will not enter a mother's womb or

that means you won't be reborn you can

that what that means if if you practice

meta corona unita opaque kind the proper

way you can become an era

according to a commentary no the thing

is when you practice Metta Karuna Modi

Topeka you are starting with summit that

is meta her own eyes samatha

then when you come to mudita you are

still at summit but when you get into

época you know the meaning of OPEC Allah

what is that that is the wrong

translation translated OPEC amines uper

okati I told you oppa means inside

outside this upper our Cooper it

ketamine's seeing seeing the inside you

know this has a very important meaning

seeing the inside means now when you

look at that chair there raise the chair

the chair is outside there is not inside

you see but if you instead of looking at

the chair outside if you begin to look

at the process of seeing the process of

seeing is something going on inside did

you understand that

the see and what you see and how you see

these were you use those words what you

see is outside there how you see is

inside here so when you talk about

seeing the inside you are really looking

at the process of perception the see

what how you see so instead of looking

at what you see you must look at look at

how you see and it is only when you look

at how you see that the real insight

comes the real insight is what you see

there although you see it like that

it is really inside you because your eye

is like a camera taking pictures and the

pictures inside here not there so the

whole world that you see outside is

really inside you see the buddha is

called fatality the meaning of tut tut

is like this english word that that you

know the English word that that is

always outside there that are litter all

that means

come I have come how that that means

that I have arrived at that that is the

meaning of that target one who has

arrived at that that means that that has

been seen as this what is the insight

you see in other words there is no

object there but there is only the

subject this is what you know there was

during the time of the Buddha there was

a person called da da da da routier Ian

what by the earth period now he he had

been meditating and he was very advanced

in meditation and he thought he was an

arahant but his mother was born as a

devil and the mother looked at him from

the they were local and saw that he was

not a reverend and that he was also

going to die soon so the mother came and

said you think you are at our heart but

you are not an arahant the real our

aunty there that the Buddha go and talk

to him because you are going to die the

result so he got accepted and he went to

see the Buddha and then

the buddha was going on Binda Partha so

when buddha was going on fitna path yet

the Buddha said I can't eat you now I'll

go finish the Pinta part and then I will

talk to you he said no no no don't do

that please

because I might die at any moment

so the Buddha looked into his and then

he saw that he will it is true that he

was going to die soon so the Buddha said

ok I will teach you and he said in the

scene that is only the sea in the scene

means it's EE n see in the scene there

is only the sea is e ing you see so that

means what you see outside there is

really the saying inside what you see so

that is the important thing to

understand that is the meaning of

totality and also the Hindus the Hindus

borrowed some Buddhist ideas from the

Buddha but and incorporated in there

Upanishads and things like that so is

there is a common saying among the

Hindus that thomassie that swamp ah see

that means that that swamp means you so

thoughtful mercy means you are that that

means you are the subject that is the

object

so what what they say the same thing

that the subject the object is really

the subject and that is the meaning of

the target that the Buddha so many ways

it is talking about the same thing so

ultimately what we call insight is

really becoming aware of that process of

perception normally people aware of the

object that we see but here the Buddha

or the around is looking at now if you

read the the first sutras the man jiminy

cried Agana sutra that Agana sutra that

is what the Buddha is pointing out there

he is comparing how the ordinary person

sees things in the world then how the

person who is meditating sees the world

then he points out how the arahant who

has finished meditation we have

perfected and how the Buddha says this

is the same thing he points out

patterning party with o sanjaya naughty

perturbing whatever means solid any any

solid that we are thinking is a solid

normally people see the solid that is

part even part of it o sanjaya Navi and

perturbing petrova toes Sanya - ah but

having manatee

that means having seen the part of the

object he comes to the conclusion there

is an object there that is the normal

person but the Iran

Butterbean part veto abhijanati that

that word abhijanati the ordinary person

was Sanjana Sanjana aunty just seen the

thing a maternity is a higher level of

seeing which is not seeing the object

but seeing how the object is seen that

is the abhijanati and then he says but

Irving Pat rabito a beam yatra but

having no magnetic he doesn't come to

the conclusion that there is the care

there that is the important thing about

the arounds

more about yet that's right yeah

he's the mole per year suit up about

Daru giri you are talking about